[EM] IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
abd at lomaxdesign.com
Thu Feb 11 10:45:49 PST 2010
At 01:08 PM 2/10/2010, Dave Ketchum wrote:
>Condorcet does an N*N matrix showing for EACH pair of candidates which
>is better liked - used in counting and usable by others to help plan
>their future. Often there is a CW which wins for winning in all of
>its pairs; else a cycle in which each would be CW if other cycle
>members were not candidates.
> How best to resolve a cycle is debatable, but a simple method
>could be used unless others are demonstrated to be much better:
>Delete weakest pair used to define the cycle; repeat until remainder
>defines a CW.
> Note that N*Ns show progress, or lack of such, among non-winners.
Often overlooked is that Condorcet methods, if truncation is allowed
(and voting without truncation being allowed tends to input a lot of
noise), is that it they are plurality methods, unless used with
special rules, which I've never seen anyone buy myself propose.
Consider the following votes:
34 A
33 B>C
33 C>B.
The Condorcet winner is A, because in the two pairwise elections
involving A, A wins
A>B, 34:33
A>C, 34:33.
However, A certainly does not have a majority. This is a problem
entirely apart from the issue of cycles. Note that a majority winner
is always a Condorcet winner.
In the election above, almost two-thirds of the voters are actually
voting against A. A could be a *lousy* result. Or not. Can't tell.
I just noticed that while Wikipedia has many articles on voting
systems, it doesn't list as a voting system what is commonly used by
democratic organizations, probably most commonly! Repeated ballot
until a majority is found for the winner. No eliminations, the
election process is repeated, with new nominations allowed -- and, of
course, withdrawals are also allowed.
Basically, seeking a majority and not insisting on finding a winner
in a single ballot, can make Condorcet almost irrelevant.
(But I find it quite relevant in determining featured candidates in
runoff elections; in my view, a Condorcet winner should *always* be,
if not the winner, at least featured in a runoff election, for
optimal overall results. But some algorithms may make a runoff
unnecessary, i.e., the possible improvement in social utility from
holding a runoff *might* be so small as to make it unnecessary. And
I'd vastly prefer much more collection of data on real elections that
do collect much more information than is on a "plurality" ballot,
than coming to some fixed conclusion about that, snatched out of thin air.)
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