[EM] Proportional election method needed for the Czech Green party - Council elections

[Juho]

On Apr 28, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Raph Frank wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Juho <juho4880 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> You assume that there is only one VP.
>
> Well, if more than 1 VP is possible, then the election could be
>
> - Elect council with PR-STV
> - The condorcet winner (only including the councillors) is President
> - Elect 2 of the councilors as VPs using PR-STV

In this case the VPs are elected in a proportional way but one of them  
could be from the same grouping as the P (not in line with the  
requirements that I assumed).

>
> However, there is still the question of what exactly the VPs and
> President is supposed to do.

I understood that the P and VPs could be the leader of the party and  
her "deputies". I understood that the same method could be used also  
at lower layers.

>
> If they are to chair council meetings, then it is better to just  
> elect them.
>
>> We could have also two and keep track
>> of which members are elected first, second and third.
>
> I still disagree with using order of election in a PR-STV election.
> It provides an additional incentive for dishonest rankings.

If I understood you correctly, I agree that use of the election order  
of the council members is not a good criterion when electing the VPs  
and/or P. Number of votes of each elected candidate at the end of the  
election would be one step better. There was also the problem of the  
distorting effect of the different quota in the P+VPs election and the  
council election.

Note btw that also use of CPO-STV may be possible in this kind of  
small elections.

>
> It would have most of the same problems that plurality has where you
> need to vote for one of the top-2.

Do you mean that voters would concentrate on the first rankings and  
strongest candidates? The used method should be such that this kind of  
behaviour will not be rational.

Juho