[EM] Why the concept of "sincere" votes in Range is flawed.

Juho Laatu juho4880 at yahoo.co.uk
Sun Jan 25 03:10:49 PST 2009

Another approach to offering more
flexibility (maybe not needed) and
more strategy options (maybe not
wanted) is to allow the voter to
fill the pairwise matrix entries
in whatever way. This means that
also cycles can be recorded.

One can interpret the basic
Condorcet rules so that they do
not rule out this option. (The
ballot format is not defined.)

(Are there good examples where
these more flexible approaches
would provide some definite


--- On Sun, 25/1/09, Kristofer Munsterhjelm <km-elmet at broadpark.no> wrote:

> Juho Laatu wrote:
> > OK. Then the model is one where the
> > voters may have various opinions on
> > various matters but that doesn't
> > necessarily mean that they would
> > have a complete ordering of the
> > candidates.
> > 
> > I can imagine that I could have e.g.
> > cyclic opinions on food when there
> > are three alternatives and three
> > properties that I consider important
> > (e.g. low fat, sweetness, nice colour)
> > and of which I have clear opinions.
> > With these parameters my preferences
> > could thus form a logical cycle.
> > 
> > People have however also good
> > problem solving abilities. If I'm in
> > a restaurant sooner or later I'm
> > usually able to make up my mind.
> > Maybe by giving some weights to my
> > preferences and then choosing my
> > favourite food for today. I may also
> > need to create opinions on topics
> > that I had not thought before.
> > 
> > As a result I may have mapped my
> > (already existing and maybe newly
> > generated) logical rankings of
> > different properties to ratings
> > (that are transitive by nature).
> > 
> > What I mean is that it may quite OK
> > to assume that people are able to
> > find some preference order when
> > voting. And therefore we can force
> > them to do so.
> If you absolutely have to have intransitivity (for
> instance, when judging contests), you could give each judge
> the option of submitting multiple ballots, but where the sum
> of the weight of these ballots are the same. If you want to
> judge based on sweetness, fat, and color, each of your votes
> count 1/3.
> This would open up the possibility of new ways of strategic
> voting in trying to form a Condorcet cycle, so I don't
> think it's a good idea in a general election; but
> "if it's demanded, we can supply".


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