[EM] Does IRV elect "majority winners?"

Kathy Dopp kathy.dopp at gmail.com
Mon Jan 5 16:44:28 PST 2009

> From: Juho Laatu <juho4880 at yahoo.co.uk>

> How should we see other methods like Range
> and Condorcet in this light?

That is not a valid comparison because, unlike IRV/STV, both Range and
Condorcet methods consider *all* rankings or ratings that *all* voters
make on their ballots.

IRV/STV cannot claim majority winners, not only because ballots are
exhausted and not considered in the final counting round, but also
because not all voters' choices are even fairly and equally considered
during the counting process - thus resulting in winners who are
disliked by a majority of voters and overlooking candidates who are
preferred by a majority of voters casting votes in the contest.

Abd ul is right that Top two runoff is a lot better system, and TTR is
most likely less costly, definitely is easier to count and more
auditable, is fairer, and both elections are monotonic too.



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