[EM] NPV vs Condorcet

[Dave Ketchum]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:51:55 -0700 Bob Richard wrote:
>  >     Some states may not be up to Condorcet instantly.  Let them stay 
> with FPTP
>  >      until they are ready to move up.  Just as a Condorcet voter can 
> choose to rank
>  >     only a single candidate, for a state full of such the counters 
> can translate FPTP
>  >     results into an N*N array.
> 
> What would enforcing the truncation of rankings (to a single ranking) 
> for part of the electorate -- but not the rest -- do to the formal 
> (social choice theoretic) properties of any given Condorcet method? 
> Would the effect be the same for all Condorcet-compliant voting methods?

It is not a truncation.  It is interpreting FPTP ballots as if used by 
Condorcet voters.  Should result in pressure on all states to conform ASAP.

I am ONLY considering FPTP and Condorcet  The exact Condorcet method cold 
be stated in the amendment.  Note that this is only a single national 
election, though there would be extreme pressure on other government uses 
of Condorcet to conform.
> 
> In fact, would this arrangement be valid for any ranked or cardinal 
> voting method? Arguably, in the U.S. your opponents could take this to 
> court as a violation of one-person-one-vote.

We claim Condorcet offers all voters equal power - even if we have to 
demand some reinterpretation from the courts - and some updating of laws if 
that gets involved.

If you are referring to laggard states not offering their voters the full 
ability that is offered and that voters in compliant states get - go beat 
on the laggard states.  The intent is to expedite full compliance without 
demanding such.

DWK
> 
> --Bob
> 
> Dave Ketchum wrote:
> 
>> Was:  Re: [EM] Making a Bad Thing Worse
>>
>> Is the Electoral College recognized as having lived ot its useful 
>> life?  If so, perhaps we could do up a worthwhile constitutional 
>> amendment.
>>
>> Should we not desperately try to get FPTP out of this?
>>
>> I suggest three parts for the heart of this:
>>      Like NPV we want to count a national election.
>>      FPTP deserves burial - USE Condorcet.
>>      Some states may not be up to Condorcet instantly.  Let them stay 
>> with FPTP until they are ready to move up.  Just as a Condorcet voter 
>> can choose to rank only a single candidate, for a state full of such 
>> the counters can translate FPTP results into an N*N array.
>>
>> DWK
-- 
  davek at clarityconnect.com    people.clarityconnect.com/webpages3/davek
  Dave Ketchum   108 Halstead Ave, Owego, NY  13827-1708   607-687-5026
            Do to no one what you would not want done to you.
                  If you want peace, work for justice.