[Election-Methods] YN model - simple voting model in which range optimal, others not

[Dave Ketchum]

Getting to the heart of the matter:

I do not like the pattern that was used for Plurality but, anyhow, let 
Plurality have one.

Then have THE SAME voters vote Range and Condorcet.  I would expect 
comparable vote counts - if that does not happen, tell us why

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:24:57 -0400 Warren Smith wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Dave Ketchum <davek at clarityconnect.com> wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:51:42 -0400 you wrote:
>> >> I went thru several thoughts:
>> >>      Did you make up the data?
>> >
>> >
>> > --yes.
>> >
>> So I question the quality:
>>      Why is Plurality not going to be neutral, echoing data biases in the
>> reported results?
>>      Why should Condorcet be blamed if, presented with voters biased
>> toward Ns, it [produces vote counts biased toward Ns?
> 
> 
> --well, the voters were not biased toward Ns - they were biased toward Ys!

Quoting from the web page that I printed 3/23:
"e.If 70% of the voters each have ideologies consisting of 70% Ns ..."
> 
> However, I agree that because this IS made-up data,
> it may not have a great deal of relevance to
> the real world.
> 
> As a matter of principle, though, it seems disturbing that Y-biased
> voters could elect NNNN. But as a matter of practice, it perhaps is
> rare enough that it has little impact.
> 
> 
>> I am not claiming that the presented data could not happen, only that it
>> does not represent a likely standard pattern.
> 
> 
> --your claim is plausibly true.
> 
> 
>> EXCEPT, it looks like selection of a collection of voters with attributes
>> that wuld make them vote as you desired, rather than a random collection.
> 
> 
> --definitely true. They were constructed to demonstrate the paradox
> could happen.
> 
> I would like to know more about how common this is and how serious it
> can be and for which
> voting methods.
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