[EM] Trees by Proxy

Dave Ketchum davek at clarityconnect.com
Mon Mar 26 22:10:20 PDT 2007

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:20:47 -0400 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:

> At 08:52 PM 3/26/2007, Dave Ketchum wrote:
>>On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:08:03 -0400 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
>>>What Ketchum has done is to connect floor rights with voting power, 
>>>rigidly. But voting power, as I've mentioned, properly comes from 
>>>the voters, not from the assembly, and participation rights in a 
>>>meeting -- generally, of any kind -- come from the meeting, i.e., the assembly.
>>That the voters can elect a candidate to be a legislator is THEIR 
>>power of choice.
>>That the voters can later elect a replacement is THEIR power of choice.

I simply offer facts in preparation for my next paragraph.

Abd offered a book in response, but did not really deny.

>>I see environment not mattering normally:
>>     The above is true when election is via ballot box
>>     I see it properly remaining true when election is via proxy - 
>>and keep the definitions consistent.
> What Ketchum is doing is to elect a legislature by proxy, and 
> apparently to maintain the variable voting power of proxies, but he 
> would retain terms of office. Thus he loses a key aspect of proxy 
> democracy, which is continuous representation.

I have said NOTHING about terms of office.  A proxy giver can change the 
proxy AT ANY TIME.  I specify a delay between filing the change and it's 
taking effect because I see the legislature needing to know the effects 
coming up in time to make adjustments - including such as new legislators 
preparing to be legislators before the day they start doing.

A problem I have not mentioned - I am not sure the recording of proxies 
can be both effective and secret - and feel secrecy is not essential.

Abd and I make no changes in the rest since my previous post.
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