[EM] Trees by Proxy

Dave Ketchum davek at clarityconnect.com
Mon Mar 26 17:50:07 PDT 2007

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:23:10 -0400 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:

> At 02:51 AM 3/26/2007, Dave Ketchum wrote:
> if we imagine Trees by Proxy as proposed by Ketchum, and then we add to 
> it the following provisions:
>>> (1) Voters may vote directly at any assembly by showing up and 
>>> voting, technical constraints permitting. This presence does not, in 
>>> itself, give them other participation rights.
>> Two thoughts:
>>      This is not normal for legislatures and not needed for what I 
>> propose, so talking of it would be a distraction.
> Proxy voting is not normal for legislatures. 

Hooray!  I am proposing proxies as a method of electing a legislature, not 
as a means of torturing how they perform their tasks.

>>      For some legislature to do this would be to make up their own luck.
>>> (2) Proxy assignments can be revoked at any time by notice to the 
>>> affected bodies by the principal.
>> Since I propose EXACTLY this, sounds like carelessness.
>> Actually, he wants them to take effect instantly - something I see as 
>> too destructive.
Abd cannot see the difference.  I SAID that a proxy can be revoked 

at any time.  The statement Abd offered agreed, probably unintentionally, 

since it says nothing as to a delay before the revocation takes effect.

>> In what follows he seems to want a legislature to have unlimited 
>> freedom in setting up its own rules.

Abd mentions common law.  Hard to tell when that applies, for it applies 
ONLY WHERE there is nothing newer to replace it.

>> While a legislature should have some rule making ability, I believe 
>> experience has shown that much of the rules BETTER be standardized.
> The rules *are* standardized, but they are subject to change by the 
> legislature. This isn't too difficult to understand, and it is beyond me 
> why Ketchum seems to argue with it.

AND, when a legislature gets into this, they had best understand what is 
permitted for them to decide.
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