[EM] Dumb question - Misunderstanding

[Stephane Rouillon]

Markus,

you are not understanding what Mr. Hodges proposes.

1)A closed list is a list where the order of candidates for a party is
an order imposed by the party leader. Also called nominations.

...

3)An open list is a list where the order is determined from
the popular election results.

Between these two case is the case you refer to:
2) A closed/open list (I do not know how you see it) is a list
established by an election made by party members before the popular election.
I would call it an "open-to-party members" list.

Markus refers to case #2), Mr. Hodges and myself to #3).

We agree STV is case #3) and it is better than #1) or #2). Now there are other
ways than STV to implement case #3) , some using single-winner methods to
produce
fully proportionnal PR models.

Steph

Markus Schulze a écrit :

> Dear John B. Hodges,
>
> approval and ranked pairs are not proportional methods.
> When these methods were being used to create an ordered
> party list then a majority of the voters of this party
> could fill all relevant positions.
>
> I suggest that STV should be used to create an ordered
> party list.
>
> Please read:
>
> 1) Colin Rosenstiel, "Producing a Party List using STV,"
>    Voting Matters, issue 9, 1998;
> 2) Joseph Otten, "Ordered List Selection," Voting Matters,
>    issue 9, 1998;
> 3) C. Hugh E. Warren, "An example of ordering elected
>    candidates," Voting Matters, issue 10, 1999;
> 4) Joseph Otten, "Ordered List Selection - revisted,"
>    Voting Matters, issue 12, 2000.
>
> Markus Schulze
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