The "Turkey" problem (Re: [EM] 2-rank and N-rank Condorcet)

[Rob Lanphier]

Kevin Venzke wrote:

>Providing a number of ranks comparable to what would make people comfortable
>is a reasonable idea, but with 5 or 7 ranks I believe the Approval-style
>benefits would be lost.  I like Forest's idea of sqr(candidates) ranks.
>
>I think you should have fewer ranks than the number of candidates with
>a serious chance of winning.  That forces every voter to indicate at least
>one "serious" contest that is less important to them than the others.
>I think three or four ranks would usually be ideal.
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>

What is the point of "forcing" voters to do anything?

The only advantage that I see to n-rank Condorcet is ballot 
simplification.  The idea that it somehow eliminates the "turkey" 
problem is something that should be proven or at least better explained.

Rob

> --- josh at narins.net a écrit : 
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>>On Sun, May 04, 2003 at 03:07:33PM -0700, Rob Lanphier wrote:
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>>>Very interesting.  I guess my criticism was based on not fully 
>>>understanding N-rank Condorcet myself.  I've gone back and read the 
>>>discussion, and I'm much more intrigued.
>>>
>>>Rather than having a formula to determine the number of ranks, my sense 
>>>is that N should be chosen based on what people are used to.  I'd 
>>>recommend N=5, if only because it lends itself to this familiar format:
>>>
>>>      Strongly                    Strongly
>>>      disapprove     Neutral       approve
>>>Joan   (1)     (2)      (3)     (4)     (5)
>>>Jane   (1)     (2)      (3)     (4)     (5)
>>>Jack   (1)     (2)      (3)     (4)     (5)
>>>      
>>>
>>The Social Sciences have repeatedly held that people most prefer 7.
>>
>>Agree strongly
>>Agree
>>Agree weakly
>>Neutral
>>Disagree weakly
>>Disagree
>>Disagree strongly
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>>
>>I read it again just recently, somewhere.
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