[EM] Re: PR not representing median voter
stepjak at yahoo.fr
Wed Jul 23 21:45:43 PDT 2003
--- Dgamble997 at aol.com a écrit :
> Kevin Venzke wrote in part:
>> "On a different subject, I'm wary of PR generally, because I'm not confident
>> that the median voter is likely to be represented... Do "median parties" really
>> exist? I want the electoral (and constitutional) method to guarantee that the median
>> voter has a veto. (If it were possible, I would like to give a veto to every voter
>> in a certain central chunk.)"
> Any system in which ANY subgroup of voters has a formal veto is NOT a
> What is so good about the " median voter" that they deserve a veto?
On any issue, you could arrange the voters (i.e., the people being represented
by the legislature) in a spectrum. Without the median voter you can't have a
majority position on that issue.
Thus if the electoral method produces a legislature that enacts policies that
aren't supported by the median voter (that is, "median" on that particular
issue), I don't think that legislature is particularly legitimate.
I fear that PR methods may be prone to this kind of illegitimacy, because I
think it's doubtful that a party would sit on the median. (Same problem with
FPTP.) In contrast, with Condorcet especially, the median is the best place
for a candidate to lie.
> How on Earth do you propose to select those voters worthy to exercise this
> privileged right of veto over the majority ?
A selection of people elected by Condorcet, Approval, or a variant should offer
a good estimate at where the median is.
As far as "privileged right of veto over the majority"... Well, I addressed
that above. The imaginary median voter is crucial to the majority of voters; as
far as the majority of legislators, I don't give a damn about them if they don't
represent the majority of the voters.
> This has got to be the worst idea I've seen posted on this list.
> THIS IS NOT DEMOCRACY.
Well, I don't think you understood the idea. But there are worse ideas in the
archive... There was a fellow who wanted to take the vote away from the rich...
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