[EM] Hello (Intro); PR......

Venzke Kevin stepjak at yahoo.fr
Wed Feb 19 12:17:48 PST 2003


Ok, I made an attempt to read it.  I'm not totally
certain how your system works, but I have a comment or

First, I don't quite understand the goal of the math. 
It looks to me like within a district, the game is IRV
except that voters may refuse to transfer their vote
after a certain point.  If I am correct about that,
then I have two doubts.  First, I think everyone will
decline to rank beyond their favorite.  Second, I'm
not sure how the global results are guaranteed to be
proportional.  (I've probably misunderstood this,

Is it wise to permit independent candidates to run? 
If they receive too many votes (which is as likely as
receiving too few), they will regret that they didn't
start their own party to take advantage of more seats.
 I know in Russia and Brazil a lot of parties are
based around individuals.  In Turkey, the recently
elected winner party had no popularity except for
Tayyip Erdogan (Istanbul mayor?).  (But actually,
Canada would not likely support a lot of parties,
anyway.  The system is too parliamentary.)

I still don't think STV (etc.) can improve PR.  To run
on the party list, candidates will need to conform to
their parties.  They will not be able to individually
campaign, because nobody will see the need to spend
money on such campaigns.  They will be elected or not
elected solely based on party affiliation.  Am I

My philosophy is that the country should be divided
into the fewest districts possible (maybe 50), and
within those districts we should elect the Condorcet
winner if he is not a fluke.  Maybe another "lower
house" could be larger and more proportional, and
represent more interests, but I think such a house
should be constitutionally weaker.

I'm interested to hear thoughts or clarifications.

(incidentally my first name is actually "Kevin." 
Yahoo.fr reverses my names inexplicablement.)

 --- Stephane Rouillon
<stephane.rouillon at sympatico.ca> a écrit : > Venzke, I
invite you to read:
> It is a STV variant defined on a national instead of
> regional basis, and
> that uses a mix of alternative vote and residual
> approbation to produce an
> exactly
> proportional result instead of vote transfers and
> quotas. Some other aspect
> ensures that at worst, the governement will be a
> two-parties coalition. Read
> and feel free to comment. (English version is the
> fourth post...)

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