[EM] Fwd: [E-voting] STV and e-voting incompatible

David GLAUDE dglaude at gmx.net
Sat Dec 6 12:49:01 PST 2003

I already suggested on Election-Method mailing-list that advanced voting
system might require computer usage... and that computer assisted voting might
not be "democratic" and secure.

Now someone in Ireland show a good example of why those method might be even
worst if vote are published... (anonymously).

Feel free to comment... I have put the original author in Cc: and you find
the list address on the forwarded message.

I am not sure about the 500 million way of voting...
But I worked a lot with permutation in a steganography project... and with
sufficient number of candidate and choice to make, it is possible that all
voter have a uniquely identifiable vote. ;-)

And since for fairness, the database of vote must be publish for independant
review... I see no option.


PS: I have nothing against STV... only against e-voting.

--- Weitergeleitete Nachricht / Forwarded Message ---
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 20:17:22 +0000
From: Ciaran Quinn <election at polarbears.com>
To: Irish Citizens for Trustworthy Evoting <e-voting at lists.stdlib.net>
Subject: [E-voting] STV and e-voting incompatible

I have just downloaded the election results for Dublin North and I have
just realised that there is a very simple way of selling one's vote
using e-voting.

There were 12 candidates in Dublin North. I estimate that there must be
almost 500 million possible vote combinations. If I wanted to buy votes
>from a group of voters, I would give them instructions of the sequence
in which they were to vote (eg I would give each voters a list of
numbers such as 3 5 10 2 1 6 9 4 8 11 7 12 showing them how to mark
their ballot paper. Each voter would get a slightly different
combination. When the election is over, all I would have to do is to
check which combinations occurred and pay the relevant voters).

This possibility means that the suggestion that voters would use their
VVAT paper ballot papers as receipts so that they would be paid is
They can already sell their votes using e-voting.

If selling votes is a concern, then e-voting and STV are incompatible.

Ciaran Quinn

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