[EM] splitting the majority...

Elisabeth Varin/Stephane Rouillon stephane.rouillon at sympatico.ca
Fri Jul 26 14:44:41 PDT 2002

I have been following your discussion,
and I do not understand one of your argument:

To me, both approval and IRV remove the vote splitting issue.
Approval by letting you give support to all your preferred candidates
at once, and IRV by rallying your vote from one to another until
all your preferred candidates are eliminated.
Please explain,



and it isn't as wrong as you would have us believe.

two stages elections where certain candidates are eliminated after the
round based on the first round results are, in some important ways,
identical to mulitple stage elections like IRV or STV.

ok, maybe not similar enough for rigorous analysis.

but it was a problem of ideological similarity splitting the majority

-----Original Message-----
From: James Gilmour [mailto:jgilmour at globalnet.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:37 PM
To: election-methods-list at eskimo.com
Subject: RE: What are we all about?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Narins, Josh [mailto:josh.narins at lehman.com]
> Sent: 25 July 2002 15:33
> To: 'election-methods-list at eskimo.com'
> Subject: RE: What are we all about?
>> Someone wrote:
> > Hare/IRV tends to become erratic with more than seven
> > or so candidates in the race, particularly when
> > some of the candidates are ideologically similar.

Josh wrote:
> SEE: France

I don't know whether this is mis-information or dis-information.
Either way, it is wrong and completely irrelevant.

The "problem" with the French Presidential election system is that the
are not transferable.
Had the highly fractured Left been able to re-group around a preferred
candidate, there never would have been a news story.

It is a common mistake to think that France uses some system like IRV.
don't even use the Exhaustive Ballot properly as they
allow only the top two candidates from round one to go into round two.
the consequences we have all seen.

James Gilmour

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