[EM] The 9 ballots
LAYTON Craig
Craig.LAYTON at add.nsw.gov.au
Sun May 6 19:24:43 PDT 2001
There are only 8 ballots here. Is there one missing?
I've done a preliminary count of the results. This is based on cursory
glances and a few written notes so it might not be 100% accurate. Think of
it as an exit poll (as we wait on the official results).
Approval appears to be the voters choice winner. It is the Approval winner,
Condorcet winner, IRV winner, CR winner & plurality winner. Because of the
difficulties in calculating Borda with truncated ballots and equal rankings,
I didn't look at the Borda winner (but it's probably pretty safe to assume
that it's Approval).
I think the pure merit results are extactly the same.
Ranked Pairs(m), Cloneproof SSD, and Path Voting are generally the next
three favoured methods. Ranked Pairs comes second in IRV & plurality (both
counts) and approval & CR (as a public proposal). Cloneproof SSD comes
second in CR (pure merit). Ranked Pairs and Path Voting are very close in
the Condorcet methods, and there is a 4 way tie for 2nd place in pure merit
approval (with ACC).
Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: MIKE OSSIPOFF [mailto:nkklrp at hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 6 May 2001 12:03
To: election-methods-list at eskimo.com
Subject: [EM] The 9 ballots
Here are the 9 ballots in the voting systems poll.
I've written the voter's name at the top of each ballot, though
some voters identified themselves within the ballot message, or at
the end, with a signature.
I separate the different people's ballots with long dotted lines, like
this:
------------------------------------------
Rob LG
Which voting system do you designate for this Voter's Choice poll?
Manual (direct approval votes)
Best public proposal:
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[ 3] [X] [ 95] Approval
[ 2] [X] [ 98] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ 1] [X] [100] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ 5] [ ] [ 62] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ 7] [ ] [ 57] ordinary SSD
[ 6] [ ] [ 61] Ranked-Pairs(wv)
[10] [ ] [ 49] PC
[ 9] [ ] [ 52] Smith//PC
[ 8] [ ] [ 54] SD
[ 4] [X] [ 91] CR
[11] [ ] [ 32] ACC
[13] [ ] [ 1] Plurality
[12] [ ] [ 2] IRV
[14] [ ] [ 0] Borda
Pure-merit:
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[ 4] [X] [ 93] Approval
[ 2] [X] [ 98] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ 1] [X] [100] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ 5] [ ] [ 50] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ 7] [ ] [ 45] ordinary SSD
[ 6] [ ] [ 49] Ranked-Pairs(wv)
[10] [ ] [ 40] PC
[ 9] [ ] [ 42] Smith//PC
[ 8] [ ] [ 43] SD
[ 3] [X] [ 94] CR
[11] [ ] [ 15] ACC
[13] [ ] [ 1] Plurality
[12] [ ] [ 2] IRV
[14] [ ] [ 0] Borda
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Rob LeGrand
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Mike/Rob,
Below is my ballot for the EM poll.
-- Richard Moore
Ballot:
Which voting system do you designate for this Voter's Choice poll?
Approval
The ballot section that follows is for best public proposal.
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[1] [x] [100] Approval
[6] [x] [70] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[4] [x] [80] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[7] [x] [70] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[9] [ ] [65] ordinary SSD
[11] [ ] [60] Ranked Pairs(wv)
[8] [x] [70] PC
[10] [ ] [65] Smith//PC
[5] [x] [75] SD
[3] [x] [85] CR
[2] [x] [90] ACC
[13] [ ] [10] Plurality
[14] [ ] [0] IRV
[12] [ ] [20] Borda
Below is the pure-merit ballot section:
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[1] [x] [100] Approval
[7] [ ] [70] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[4] [x] [85] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[6] [x] [75] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[8] [ ] [70] ordinary SSD
[11] [ ] [60] Ranked Pairs(wv)
[9] [ ] [70] PC
[10] [ ] [65] Smith//PC
[5] [x] [75] SD
[2] [x] [95] CR
[3] [x] [90] ACC
[13] [ ] [10] Plurality
[14] [ ] [0] IRV
[12] [ ] [20] Borda
----------------------------
Mike
Ballot:
Which voting system do you designate for this Voter's Choice poll?
Manual
The ballot section that follows is for best public proposal.
Vote as if we were choosing which voting system to offer to the
public in a public initiative.
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[ 2] [x] [50] Approval
[ ] [ ] [ ] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ ] [ ] [ ] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ 2] [x] [50] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ 2] [x] [50] ordinary SSD
[ 2] [x] [50] Ranked-Pairs(wv)
[ 2] [x] [50] PC
[ 2] [x] [50] Smith//PC
[ 2] [x] [50] SD
[ 1] [x] [100]CR
[ 2] [x] [50] ACC
[ ] [ ] [ ] Plurality
[ ] [ ] [ ] IRV
[ ] [ ] [ ] Borda
Below is the pure-merit ballot section:
Suppose we were voting to determine which voting system to designate
as EM's officially-chosen best voting system. Even though this
isn't official, of course in a meaningful sense the method we choose
here can be called EM's favorite, for pure merit, among those who
voted.
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[ 7] [x] [94] Approval
[ ] [ ] [ 0] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ ] [ ] [ 0] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ 1] [x] [100]Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ 2] [x] [99] ordinary SSD
[ 3] [x] [98] Ranked Pairs(wv)
[ 6] [x] [95] PC
[ 5] [x] [96] Smith//PC
[ 4] [x] [97] SD
[ 8] [x] [93] CR
[ 9] [x] [92] ACC
[ ] [ ] [0 ] Plurality
[ ] [ ] [0 ] IRV
[ ] [ ] [0 ] Borda
Separate ranking for Ranked Pairs(m) & Path Voting:
(Disregard everything but the ranking--Only the ranking is different
for Margins methods).
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[ 1] [ ] [ ] Approval
[ ] [ ] [ ] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ ] [ ] [ ] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ 2] [ ] [ ] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ 2] [ ] [ ] ordinary SSD
[ 2] [ ] [ ] Ranked-Pairs(wv)
[ 2] [ ] [ ] PC
[ 2] [ ] [ ] Smith//PC
[ 2] [ ] [ ] SD
[ 2] [ ] [ ] CR
[ 2] [ ] [ ] ACC
[ ] [ ] [ ] Plurality
[ ] [ ] [ ] IRV
[ ] [ ] [ ] Borda
----------------------------------
Moe
Ballot:
Which voting system do you designate for this Voter's Choice poll?
[Approval]
The ballot section that follows is for best public proposal.
Vote as if we were choosing which voting system to offer to the
public in a public initiative.
The 1st column is for rank number. The 2nd column is for Approval votes.
The 3rd column is for CR ratings. I suggest that we consider
the CR balloting to be an honor system in which we rate sincerely,
to the best of our knowledge. An easy way to do that is to ask
how big the merit differences are among the various alternatives in
your ranking. Your favorite is automatically 10 or 100. Rate the
others according to how good they are with respect to that. Or, as
I suggested, rate them according to how big you feel the merit differences
are among your ranked alternatives.
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[ 5 ] [x ] [ 60 ] Approval
[ 6 ] [ ] [ 20 ] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ 6 ] [ ] [ 20 ] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ 2 ] [x ] [ 90 ] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ 1 ] [x ] [ 100 ] ordinary SSD
[ 3 ] [x ] [ 80 ] Ranked Pairs(wv)
[ 4 ] [x ] [ 70 ] PC
[ 4 ] [x ] [ 70 ] Smith//PC
[ 6 ] [ ] [ 20 ] SD
[ 9 ] [ ] [ 0 ] CR
[ 6 ] [ ] [ 20 ] ACC
[ 9 ] [ ] [ 0 ] Plurality
[ 7 ] [ ] [ 10 ] IRV
[ 8 ] [ ] [ 1 ] Borda
Below is the pure-merit ballot section:
Suppose we were voting to determine which voting system to designate
as EM's officially-chosen best voting system. Even though this
isn't official, of course in a meaningful sense the method we choose
here can be called EM's favorite, for pure merit, among those who
voted.
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[ 5 ] [ ] [ 30 ] Approval
[ 6 ] [ ] [ 20 ] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ 6 ] [ ] [ 20 ] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ 1 ] [x] [100 ] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ 2 ] [x] [ 70 ] ordinary SSD
[ 3 ] [x] [ 50 ] Ranked-Pairs(wv)
[ 4 ] [ ] [ 40 ] PC
[ 4 ] [ ] [ 40 ] Smith//PC
[ 6 ] [ ] [ 20 ] SD
[ 9 ] [ ] [ 0 ] CR
[ 6 ] [ ] [ 20 ] ACC
[ 9 ] [ ] [ 0 ] Plurality
[ 7 ] [ ] [ 2 ] IRV
[ 8 ] [ ] [ 1 ] Borda
-------------------------------
Blake
Ballot:
Which voting system do you designate for this Voter's Choice poll?
Manual.
The ballot section that follows is for best public proposal.
Vote as if we were choosing which voting system to offer to the
public in a public initiative.
The 1st column is for rank number. The 2nd column is for Approval
votes.
The 3rd column is for CR ratings. I suggest that we consider
the CR balloting to be an honor system in which we rate sincerely,
to the best of our knowledge. An easy way to do that is to ask
how big the merit differences are among the various alternatives in
your ranking. Your favorite is automatically 10 or 100. Rate the
others according to how good they are with respect to that. Or, as
I suggested, rate them according to how big you feel the merit
differences
are among your ranked alternatives.
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[ 3 ] [ ] [ 10 ] Approval
[ 1 ] [X] [ 100 ] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ 2 ] [ ] [ 20 ] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] ordinary SSD
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] Ranked-Pairs(wv)
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] PC
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] Smith//PC
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] SD
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] CR
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] ACC
[ 5 ] [ ] [ 0 ] Plurality
[ 4 ] [ ] [ 0 ] IRV
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] Borda
Below is the pure-merit ballot section:
Suppose we were voting to determine which voting system to designate
as EM's officially-chosen best voting system. Even though this
isn't official, of course in a meaningful sense the method we choose
here can be called EM's favorite, for pure merit, among those who
voted.
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[ 3 ] [ ] [ 10 ] Approval
[ 1 ] [X] [ 100 ] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ 2 ] [ ] [ 80 ] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] ordinary SSD
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] Ranked Pairs(wv)
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] PC
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] Smith//PC
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] SD
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] CR
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] ACC
[ 5 ] [ ] [ 0 ] Plurality
[ 4 ] [ ] [ 0 ] IRV
[ ] [ ] [ 0 ] Borda
---
Blake Cretney
--------------------------------
Martin
Sorry for delay in reposting...
MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote:
Ballot:
Which voting system do you designate for this Voter's Choice poll?
Ranked Pairs(m)
The ballot section that follows is for best public proposal.
Vote as if we were choosing which voting system to offer to the
public in a public initiative.
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[1 ] [x] [10] Approval
[2 ] [x] [10] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[2 ] [x] [10] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[4 ] [ ] [10] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[4 ] [ ] [10] ordinary SSD
[4 ] [ ] [10] Ranked-Pairs(wv)
[4 ] [ ] [10] PC
[4 ] [ ] [10] Smith//PC
[4 ] [ ] [10] SD
[5 ] [ ] [9 ] CR
[3 ] [x] [10] ACC
[6 ] [ ] [0 ] Plurality
[5 ] [ ] [9 ] IRV
[5 ] [ ] [9 ] Borda
[BALLOTS FOR WINNING-VOTES METHODS]
R A N K
[1 ] Approval [2 ] Ranked-Pairs(m) [3 ] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) ) [5
] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) ) [10] ordinary SSD [6 ]
Ranked-Pairs(wv) [9 ] PC [7 ] Smith//PC [8 ] SD [11] CR [4 ] aCC [14]
Plurality [12] IRV [13] Borda
Below is the pure-merit ballot section:
Identical to public proposal ballots.
--------------------------------------
Craig (1)
Ballot:
Which voting system do you designate for this Voter's Choice poll?
Manual
The ballot section that follows is for best public proposal.
Vote as if we were choosing which voting system to offer to the
public in a public initiative.
The 1st column is for rank number. The 2nd column is for Approval votes.
The 3rd column is for CR ratings. I suggest that we consider
the CR balloting to be an honor system in which we rate sincerely,
to the best of our knowledge. An easy way to do that is to ask
how big the merit differences are among the various alternatives in
your ranking. Your favorite is automatically 10 or 100. Rate the
others according to how good they are with respect to that. Or, as
I suggested, rate them according to how big you feel the merit differences
are among your ranked alternatives.
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[ 8 ] [ ] [35 ] Approval
[ 1 ] [x] [100] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ 2 ] [x] [95 ] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ 5 ] [x] [75 ] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ 5 ] [x] [75 ] ordinary SSD
[ 4 ] [x] [85 ] Ranked-Pairs(wv)
[ 7 ] [ ] [55 ] PC
[ 6 ] [ ] [60 ] Smith//PC
[ 6 ] [ ] [60 ] SD
[12 ] [ ] [ 0 ] CR
[ 3 ] [x] [90 ] ACC
[10 ] [ ] [12 ] Plurality
[ 9 ] [ ] [15 ] IRV
[11 ] [ ] [10 ] Borda
Below is the pure-merit ballot section:
Suppose we were voting to determine which voting system to designate
as EM's officially-chosen best voting system. Even though this
isn't official, of course in a meaningful sense the method we choose
here can be called EM's favorite, for pure merit, among those who
voted.
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[10 ] [ ] [ 40] Approval
[ 1 ] [x] [100] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ 2 ] [x] [ 98] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ 5 ] [x] [ 73] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ 6 ] [x] [ 72] ordinary SSD
[ 4 ] [x] [ 75] Ranked Pairs(wv)
[ 9 ] [ ] [ 55] PC
[ 8 ] [ ] [ 61] Smith//PC
[ 7 ] [ ] [ 66] SD
[14 ] [ ] [ 0] CR
[ 3 ] [x] [ 90] ACC
[13 ] [ ] [ 5] Plurality
[12 ] [ ] [ 8] IRV
[11 ] [ ] [ 16] Borda
-----------------------------
Bart
Ballot:
Which voting system do you designate for this Voter's Choice poll?
Manual.
The ballot section that follows is for best public proposal.
Vote as if we were choosing which voting system to offer to the
public in a public initiative.
The 1st column is for rank number. The 2nd column is for Approval votes.
The 3rd column is for CR ratings. I suggest that we consider
the CR balloting to be an honor system in which we rate sincerely,
to the best of our knowledge. An easy way to do that is to ask
how big the merit differences are among the various alternatives in
your ranking. Your favorite is automatically 10 or 100. Rate the
others according to how good they are with respect to that. Or, as
I suggested, rate them according to how big you feel the merit differences
are among your ranked alternatives.
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[ 1] [x] [10] Approval
[ ] [ ] [ 2] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ ] [ ] [ 2] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ ] [ ] [ 2] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ ] [ ] [ 2] ordinary SSD
[ ] [ ] [ 2] Ranked-Pairs(wv)
[ ] [ ] [ 2] PC
[ ] [ ] [ 2] Smith//PC
[ ] [ ] [ 2] SD
[ ] [ ] [ 2] CR
[ ] [ ] [ 0] ACC
[ ] [ ] [ 0] Plurality
[ ] [ ] [ 0] IRV
[ ] [ ] [ 0] Borda
Below is the pure-merit ballot section:
Suppose we were voting to determine which voting system to designate
as EM's officially-chosen best voting system. Even though this
isn't official, of course in a meaningful sense the method we choose
here can be called EM's favorite, for pure merit, among those who
voted.
R A R
A P A
N P T
K R E
[ 1] [x] [10] Approval
[ ] [ ] [ 3] Ranked-Pairs(m)
[ ] [ ] [ 3] Path Voting (BeatpathWinner(m) )
[ ] [ ] [ 3] Cloneproof SSD (BeatpathWinner(wv) )
[ ] [ ] [ 3] ordinary SSD
[ ] [ ] [ 3] Ranked Pairs(wv)
[ ] [ ] [ 3] PC
[ ] [ ] [ 3] Smith//PC
[ ] [ ] [ 3] SD
[ ] [ ] [ 3] CR
[ ] [ ] [ 0] ACC
[ ] [ ] [ 0] Plurality
[ ] [ ] [ 0] IRV
[ ] [ ] [ 0] Borda
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