[EM] Let's Kill Two List Members with One Stone:

[Tom Ruen]

I don't quite follow all the details here, but looks interesting.

I would like one of the election methods to be plurality/FPP too.

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "I like Irving" <donald at mich.com>
To: "[EM]" <election-methods-list at eskimo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 7:02 AM
Subject: [EM] Let's Kill Two List Members with One Stone:


> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 03/14/01
> Greetings,
>
>      Tom Ruen wants to test an Approval election and Mike Ossipoff has
this
> silly `Voter Choice System' of his.
>      We can dispense with both of them in one execution.
>
>      I propose we execute a test ballot to include ten elections.
>      The first set of five elections will use five different methods on
the
> same candidates.  The five methods to be: Approval, Borda, Bucklin,
> Condorcet, and Irving.
>      In order to give this test a bit more reality than favorite ice cream
> or favorite month, I suggest that we use all the candidates from the last
> presidential election for the first set of five elections.
>
>      The second set of five elections will use the five different methods
> as candidates in five elections using the same five methods themselves,
> with the understanding that the election of a method is only to determine
> the method to use in the current election of the presidential candidates.
> In a different election at a different time, voters may vote differently
in
> the methods election.  I hope that is clear, fear not, I will repeat.
>
>   Test Ballot for Presidential and Method Elections:
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Instructions: Rank or Select candidates according to your understanding of
> the rules of Approval, Borda, Bucklin, Condorcet, and Irving.
>
> First Set of Five Elections:
>  Candidates:    Approval      Borda      Bucklin    Condorcet    Irving
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Browne:       |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Buchanan:     |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Bush:         |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Gore:         |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Hagelin:      |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Harris        |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> McReynolds:   |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Moorehead:    |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Nader:        |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Phillips:     |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Note: We need to have a set of choices for each of five methods because we
> voters should have the right to vote differently with each method. You may
> remember that Tom asked people to rank choices for Irving and then he used
> the ranking on other methods, that's a no no.  We voters need to know
which
> method we are voting in.
>
> Second Set of Five Elections:
> Note: When you vote in these elections, you must take into consideration
> the fact that you are voting for which method would be best to elect your
> favorite candidate in the above elections.  A different election, a
> different favorite candidate, and a different time may requires you to
vote
> for a different method - keep that in mind.
>                 Approval      Borda      Bucklin    Condorcet    Irving
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Approval:     |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Borda:        |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Bucklin:      |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Condorcet:    |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Irving:       |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Second Note: At this point, everyone should realize that `Houston, we have
> a problem'.  After everyone has voted for one of five methods using the
> five methods, how do we resolve the different results to give us one
method
> to use in the first set of elections. This is why I call Mike's system,
> silly.
>      We cannot use a method to judge itself. That is what Mike is trying
to
> have us do. We are trying to use five methods to judge five methods.
>
>      The only valid way to solve this is to use the standard of `Repeating
> Ballots'.  Everyone gets only one vote to cast below.
>
>                 Approval      Borda      Bucklin    Condorcet    Irving
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> Vote for one: |           |           |           |           |
> - - - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - - + - - - - -
> After we have the results of this ballot, we will publish the results and
> then have a repeat ballot.  The total number of ballots is limited to
five.
> If no majority on the first four ballots, then the lead method on the last
> ballot is the winner and the method to be used in the election of the
> Presidential candidates.
>      Send all ballots to the list so everyone can be a counter.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>      In the event my suggestions are a `No Go', I vote for the month of
> March in Tom's Approval test election, a bullet vote for March.
>
>      At this time I would like to plug the month of March. There are two
> big reasons why everyone should vote for March.
>      One, we should always value where we are in time.  Now we are in
> March, so value it, next month you may be sick, or hurt, or dead.
>      Two: March is the start of spring, the time when the earth comes
> alive, the foreplay of summer.  Enjoy it and remember that most famous of
> all poems that comes with March.
>
>       "Spring has sprung
>             the grass has ris
>        I wonder where the flowers is"
>           (poet unknown)
>
> Regards, Donald Davison, who is now running five days behind.