[EM] RE: Let's found an organization to oppose IRV

David Catchpole s349436 at student.uq.edu.au
Mon Nov 13 21:04:17 PST 2000

I've recently been confronted with a few approval type elections
(Australian Republican Movement) and each time I've chosen to mark half of
the ballot.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote:

> >Donald: Craig is correct. Smart voters will only make one choice when faced
> >with a method like Approval or Borda  or that other guy, what's him name.
> Why would they do that? Nearly all of the people who consider Nader
> better than Gore voted for Gore. They'd do the same in Approval.
> Why are you worried that they'd suddently become principled and
> not vote for him? I like Approval, but you attribute to it a
> beneficial property that it doesn't have.
> And why would all those people who voted for Gore though they
> prefer Nader vote only for Nader in Condorcet?
> You used to name Approval, Borda, & Condorcet together as the ABC
> methods. They do have something in common: They all take account of
> a candidate's overall high-ratedness. That distinguishes them
> from your 1-vote methods like Plurality & IRV. Let's call
> Plurality & IRV the 1-vote methods, or maybe the Lesser-of-2-evils
> methods, since those are the methods that bring us that problem in
> its more drastic form.
> Borda, of course, has terrible strategy problems when voters aren't
> all guaranteed to be sincere, and so it can't be considered for
> out public elections, though it's excellent in a sincere-voting Utopia.
> >        That will result in turning these weird methods into 
> >Plurality(FPTP).
> >        `The more things change the more they remain the the same.'
> >        T.J. Max Depo-rep-man should take another look at Instant Run-Off - 
> >Ha Ha
> >        Now there is a good single winner method, right under your nose.
> Ha ha is the right thing to say.
> Mike Ossipoff
> >
> >
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