Shouldn't Talk To Santa Clara?

[Daniel Davis]

Elect One / Vote for one
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Majority Run-off

1st example:
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Conservative 32%
Centrist 32%
Liberal  35%
* * * * >>>Liberal Centrist
If centrist finishes, it wins (because conservatives will prefer it)
If Conservative finishes, it is a choice of the centrist.

 Results: Liberal, Centrist, or Centrist's choice


2nd example: * * * * * *


--> Leftist 10%
Conservative 32%
Centrist 32%
Liberal  25%


Run off with Conservative / Centirst

 Results: Centrists


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1st example with IRO:   same

2nd example with IRO:  Makes the election just like the 1st example.




    This is how I see it. . . I shall re read your message to see if I can see
where you are coming from.

    Basically, I feel that any improvement would be a miracle.





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> That's 2 against, & 0 in favor of out-of-county IRO opponents
> writing to people in Santa Clara County. So far then, it
> looks like I won't write. Unanimous replies so far.
>
> >
> > Mike Ositoff wrote:
> >
> > > This November, voters in Santa Clara will vote on whether or
> > > not to authorize IRO for county elections. I've told why
> > > I claim IRO is worse than Runoff, the method currently in use.
> > >
> > > Is there a reason why I shouldn't talk to people in Santa Clara
> > > County about that? I'm an outsider? But haven't CVD outsiders
> > > peddled their wares in Santa Clara, Texas, & New Mexico, etc.?
> > >
> >
> >     Why would you fight an improvement in the electoral system, when
> > such things are so few and far between?
>
> Yes, if IRO is perceived as an improvement, by people who want
> improvement, then I don't want to be seen to be intervening
> against improvement. Of course debating IRO on these lists isn't
> like actually getting involved in a county election about it.
>
> >
> >     Like it was said earlier, if there are 4 or more candidates the
> > run-off election can unfairly cause electoral distortions; the split
> > vote effect that needs no explanation.
>
> Sure, but so can IRO, as in my 5-candidate example.
>
> >
> >     If there is a leftist/centrist/rightwing trio of candidates, support
> > evenly matched for the two centrist/rightist candidates (with a slight
> > plurality for the liberal candidate), and a fourth left-leaning
> > enviormentalist candidate runs also, splitting the vote will cause the
> > centrist and conservative candidates to be the only choices for the
> > office.
>
> In that situation, the liberal would make the runoff. Whether
> he'd win would depend on whether the Centrist or the Republican
> came in 2nd and entered the runoff with him. If the Centrist
> also made the runoff, then the centrist would win, with help
> from the Republicans. If the Republican entered the runoff,
> the Liberal & Leftist votes would give the LIberal an initial
> advantage, which could be lost if the Centrists prefer the
> Republican.
>
> In IRO, the Leftist gets eliminated 1st, and gives the
> Liberal a plurality. If the Republican gets eliminated next,
> then the Centrist wins. If the Centrist gets eliminated next instead,
> then it could go to the Republican or the Liberal, depending on
> how the Centrist rates those 2.
>
> So both methods could elect any of the 3, depending on details
> of 1st & 2nd choice preference numbers.
>
> The merit differences between Runoff & IRO probbaly aren't
> really extreme, though I'm more impressed by the generality
> of the examples where Runoff does better.
> >
>
> Anyway, these comments are just what I was trying to get--
> to find out how intervention in Santa Clara against IRO would
> seem to people. So thanks for the replies, and any further replies
> are welcome & requested.
>
> So far, 2 opposed, 0 in favor.
>
> Mike Ossipoff
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