[EM] Easy voting & handcount. Approval vs RV.
Michael Ossipoff
mikeo2106 at msn.com
Fri Feb 16 05:55:10 PST 2007
Before saying more, I want to say that, in spite of anything that I say
below here, SSD is what I want for public elections.
If you've ever participated in an EM poll, the ones where we use all sorts
of balloting, then you know that ranking is _lots_ easier than rating. And
you know that, especially when there are lots of candidates, Approval is
easier than ranking.
In fact, Approval's very easy voting and handcount, in EM polls, will give
you a new appreciation for Approval.
In general, I much prefer Approval to RV (in its versions other than
Approval). Approval has a simple elegance and beauty that RV doesn't even
come close to. In Approval, a sincere vote is essentially the same as a
strategic vote.
And, though Approval doesnt give you the kind of expressiveness that
Condorcet does, it gives you another kind of expressiveness that
rank-balloting cant give: Expressiveness about _how_ good or bad a
candidate is. You express that when you vote for him/her or not. You can
rank all the candidates in order of preference, but that doesnt tell which
ones are disgusting. With Approval you say something that you dont say in a
ranking.
Yes, Id rather have SSD, but if its to be a handcount, or there are lots
of candidates, and you might not want to ask people to rank that many
candidates, then the much easier Approval offers a very good substitute for
Condorcets expressiveness, Approvals own kind of expressiveness. Approval
would be my 2nd choice then.
RV lets you express fine gradation of preference? Illusory. RVs strategy
problem stifles expressiveness more than it provides it.
Now, having said all that about Approval vs. RV, I have to also say that,
due to the special situation in our elections, RV would probably give a
better result than Approval in our public elections, in spite of Approvals
general superiority to RV, and in spite of Approvals great aesthetic
superiority to RV.
Ive also talked about RVs much greater familiarity and popularity, and
peoples widespread misunderstanding about Approval and 1-person-1-vote.
So RV is probably a good public proposal, if SSD turned out to be
un-gettable.
By the way, I highly recommend another EM poll. In fact I recommend that we
do them regularly. You dont know how you feel about the voting systems and
balloting systems until you actually vote them and count them. Take my word
for it. In EM polls I substitute Cloneproof SSD for SSD. CSSD is equivalent
to BeatpathWinner, the easier, but less obviously-motivated and justified,
implementation of CSSD.
When we do a poll, I suggest using rank-balloting, Approval balloting, and
ratings. I suggest asking voters to vote sincerely, not strategically in the
ratings, since the Approval ballot takes care of strategic voting.
When a definite answer isnt desired, its enough to just get answers from
the various methods used. When a definite answer is desired from a
multi-mode poll, then I suggest Voters Choice, which weve used in past
multi-mode polls.
Mike Ossipoff
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