<div dir="auto">Had you not already? Good to have you back :-)</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at 11:02 PM Michael Ossipoff <<a href="mailto:email9648742@gmail.com">email9648742@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Blocking that Dunning-Kruger ctackpot.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at 7:56 PM Michael Garman <<a href="mailto:michael.garman@rankthevote.us" target="_blank">michael.garman@rankthevote.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Where did I say “eliminate”? The only use of that word I can find in my archives is me saying FV updated its messaging guidance from “eliminate” to “reduce.”</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Nice to see that even though you’ve taken to advocating for RCV (as you’ll now willingly call it), you haven’t lost your passion for unhinged screeds :-)</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at 10:49 PM Michael Ossipoff <<a href="mailto:email9648742@gmail.com" target="_blank">email9648742@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Incorrect. Michael Garman is misrepresenting what I said.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I advocated for RCV for a long time on EM & everywhere else too.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What I criticized about Garman was his false claim that RCV eliminates the spoiler-problem.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Wrong. It “only” eliminates the spoiler-problem for members of the Mutual-Majority. …but that’s good enough. Not many methods do so.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Approval, Score & star don’t do so for ***anyone***.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Could one ask for more? Well RP(wv) & MinMax(wv) effectively pretty-much do so everyone.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">…at the unacceptable cost of fast becoming unhandcountable with more than a few candidates…with the consequent greater count-fraud problem. As I said: Unacceptable.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Garman’s falsehood was (& still is?) discrediting RCV.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Michael Ossipoff </div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at 7:51 AM Michael Garman <<a href="mailto:michael.garman@rankthevote.us" target="_blank">michael.garman@rankthevote.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">I'd be curious to learn why he changed his mind. He was nothing short of hostile to anyone who suggested it was even a minor improvement from FPP while he was on this list.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 9, 2025 at 10:42 AM Markus Schulze via Election-Methods <<a href="mailto:election-methods@lists.electorama.com" target="_blank">election-methods@lists.electorama.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">After 30 years, Mike Ossipoff had a change of hearts and now promotes instant-runoff voting:<br><a href="https://democracychronicles.org/why-ranked-choice-voting-is-the-best-choice/" target="_blank">https://democracychronicles.org/why-ranked-choice-voting-is-the-best-choice/</a></div>
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