<div><div dir="auto">I'm not sure what part of my email you're disagreeing with here. To be clear, when I say it never "caught on" I just mean most people have never heard of that name, whereas probably a bare majority of people today have heard of the term "ranked-choice voting". Honestly, I'd describe anyone who knew about non-FPP voting systems before 2010 as a voting nerd.</div></div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 2:30 PM Ralph Suter <<a href="mailto:RLSuter@aol.com" target="_blank">RLSuter@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><u></u>
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<p>You're just wrong about this, Closed. I don't know the full
history of the name IRV and how it became better known as RCV, but
in the late '90 and at least the first decade of the 2000's, IRV
not only "caught on" but was widely used in discussions of voting
methods, and not just among "voting theory circles" and FairVote,
which at the time was named the Center for Voting and Democracy.
You are apparently too young to have first-hand knowledge of any
of that. I attended the 1992 founding meeting of what is now known
as FairVote but was originally named Citizens for Proportional
Representation (CPR). The founding meeting was focused primarily
on PR rather than single winner/one rep per district reform, which
was discussed very little at the meeting. That soon changed when
shortly after the meeting (or maybe shortly before, I'm not
certain), former U.S. representative and 1980 presidential
candidate John Anderson published a 1992 article (I think in NY
Times or maybe Wash Post) advocating what is now known as RCV.
Anderson soon joined and became a leader of CPR and apparently was
very influential in getting it to focus less on PR and more on
single winner reform and change its name to CVD.</p>
<p>-Ralph Suter<br>
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<div>On 10/18/2024 3:02 PM, <a href="mailto:election-methods-request@lists.electorama.com" target="_blank">election-methods-request@lists.electorama.com</a>
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2024 10:05:55 -0700
From: Closed Limelike Curves <a href="mailto:closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com" style="font-family:monospace" target="_blank"><closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com></a>
To: Kristofer Munsterhjelm <a href="mailto:km-elmet@munsterhjelm.no" style="font-family:monospace" target="_blank"><km-elmet@munsterhjelm.no></a>
Cc: Chris Benham <a href="mailto:cbenhamau@yahoo.com.au" style="font-family:monospace" target="_blank"><cbenhamau@yahoo.com.au></a>,
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Subject: Re: [EM] "Instant-runoff voting" article renamed to
"Ranked-choice voting" on English Wikipedia
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The Electowiki article covers this. The name IRV is a promotional name
pushed by FairVote in the early 2000s. The name never really caught on and
was never used by anyone but FairVote and Wikipedia, because the first
place to adopt it (San Francisco) renamed it "Ranked-choice voting" because
they thought the name IRV would confuse people into expecting the results
to be released "instantly" (immediately after polls closed). The term IRV
has never seen much widespread use outside voting theory circles and
FairVote.
On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 9:09?AM Kristofer Munsterhjelm <
<a href="mailto:km-elmet@munsterhjelm.no" style="font-family:monospace" target="_blank">km-elmet@munsterhjelm.no</a>> wrote:
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:monospace;color:rgb(0,124,255)"><pre style="font-family:monospace">On 2024-10-18 17:38, Chris Benham wrote:
</pre><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:monospace;color:rgb(0,124,255)"><pre style="font-family:monospace">I gather that "Instant Runoff Voting" was originally a promotional name
in the US that after being used for a long time was changed (for some
reason I forget) to Ranked Choice Voting.
</pre></blockquote><pre style="font-family:monospace"> From what I understand, one of the public-facing organizations (might
have been the LWV) suggested the name because, to the voter, the
characteristic feature is that you rank the candidates. And then
FairVote found out that it helped their advocacy, so it stuck.
-km
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