<div><br></div><div dir="auto">I forgot to mention: RCV & STV don’t allow equa-ranking (though Condorcet does).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">However I wouldn’t call an RCV or STV ballot “spoiled” if it has equal-ranking. I’d instead just rank any equal-ranked candidates, at some particular rank-position, *in alphabetical-order by last-name*</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I figure the voter won’t mind, because he doesn’t have any preference among them.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is that okay?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Of course, for the RP(wv) count your equal-ranked candidates will be counted as equal-ranked, because equal-ranking is permissible in Condorcet.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Additional answers inline below:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 16:55 Richard, the VoteFair guy <<a href="mailto:electionmethods@votefair.org">electionmethods@votefair.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Michael, here is my ballot.<br>
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You can translate this into your desired ballot format.<br>
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If you claim you need a full ranking, then I choose not to vote in this <br>
poll. That's because I don't have time to research unfamiliar <br>
candidates and unfamiliar parties.<br>
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In the candidate poll my ballot is that I rank Biden as the only <br>
"approved" candidate</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Okay.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"> -- even though I wish he would drop out and <br>
transfer his delegate votes to nearly anyone.<br>
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I rank Trump at the bottom of the candidate list, below all the other <br>
candidates</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Okay.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto">because he wants to destroy democracy, destroy the U.S. <br>
economy as a favor to Putin, and destroy the U.S. military as another <br>
favor to Putin.</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes, The Republican in general, & Trump in particular, always finishes last, in every Condorcet or STAR poll that includes the Republocratic candidates & the Progressive candidates.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">(In this election-year, Biden is winning the CIVS poll “2024 presidential election”. Likewise in a few STAR polls. …because this year, some people feel a desperate need to portray Biden winnable, to try to make people vote for him in November. But ordinarily the top-finisher & CW is Jill or Bernie…well alright, sometimes a Libertarian. Never, ever, is the Republican anywhere but bottom.)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">…& yet, people actually believe that Jill Stein couldn’t beat him. Usually she or Bernie is CW, too-finisher in those polls.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So, the usual top-finisher can’t beat the always bottom-finisher?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Wow! What are people smoking?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hello? The always-bottom-finisher isn’t a threat if we all vote for the (same) candidate whom we actually all like.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Forget “The-Lesser-Evil” & “The-Two-Choices”.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In Burlington Alaska, it was clearly shown that the median-voters prefer the more progressive candidates. …in confirmation of those poll-results.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Lesser-evils voters worry too much!!!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><br>
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In between I rank all the other candidates at the same preference level, <br>
and not worth researching to rank them because they lack high-level <br>
executive experience and expertise.</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Okay. As I mentioned, in RCV & STV, it will be necessary to for the count to rank those equal-ranked candidates in alphabetical-order. Is that okay?</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><br>
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In the party poll, I rank the Democratic party as the only "approved" <br>
party because it's the only party offering a viable candidate.</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Okay. The Democrat Party is your party vote, for the Party-PR count.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Though it would be improper for me to comment on your ballot, there’s no rule that says I can’t comment on political-statements:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">See above about the results of Condorcet & STAR polls, & what Burlington & Alaska showed about the preference of median-voters.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Most people say (in answer to other polls) that they’re tired of “The-Two-Choices”, & say they want different parties.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So yes the parties other than the Republocratic Party aren’t “viable”, because only the people want them. :-)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Don’t let the TV tell you what or who is or isn’t “viable”.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Vote honestly in November, for what we all want. …& certainly not for someone none of us want, for whom we’d have to hold our nose.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If you’re holding your nose, reconsider your vote.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><br>
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Under current circumstances I rank the Republican party at the bottom of <br>
the list, below all other parties. That's because they are not offering <br>
a candidate who wants to preserve fair elections, protect the U.S. <br>
against its enemies, and improve the economy. As another flaw, the new <br>
Republican party platform claims the presidential election will not be <br>
fair if the Republican candidate doesn't win the presidential election.</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Agreed. Few people want the Republicans. They’d never win an election with honest voting & honest count.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><br>
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In case you didn't notice the above words "only approved party," I'll <br>
clarify that all the parties other than the Democratic party are <br>
"unapproved" because they do not offer viable candidates.</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Look what the Democrats offer :-)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That’s viable? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">..even though most people say they don’t want them?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Are the Democrats more viable than the candidates who usually win the Condorcet & STAR polls that include the Republocrats & the Progressives?</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><br>
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Apparently, in this poll, you want me to point to one party as the one I <br>
like. It's "none of the above." That's because I dislike all current <br>
U.S. political parties. Yes, I'm willing to "throw away" this vote to <br>
express this preference</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Okay. Done. Your ballot doesn’t cast a vote in the Party-PR balloting.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You dislike all current parties? Have you read all of their platforms? If not, how do you know you dislike them? What do you dislike about the *policies* offered by some of the “3rd-parties” that you’ve heard of?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’m not trying to get you to change your vote. That would be improper. Of course your ballot will be counted exactly as you said.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’m merely participating in the political-discussion.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><br>
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Clarification: I register with either the Republican or Democratic <br>
party so I can vote in the primary elections of one or the other of the <br>
two parties that supply viable nominees. </blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The two parties that none of us want are the only viable ones? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto">I switch between those two <br>
parties periodically. I dislike them both. </blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes! We all do!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Switch between them? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Switch out of them!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"> I also dislike all third <br>
parties.</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">All of them? Regarding the main ones you’ve heard of, which of their platform-policies do you dislike?</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><br>
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My dislike of existing political parties is why I promote <br>
election-method reform! </blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes, that’s why we’re all here! Dislike of The Two Choices. …which obviously are NOT the two choices.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But which platform-policy of the main other parties that you’ve heard of do you dislike?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto">If U.S. election reforms are well-designed, <br>
then in the future at least one U.S. party will be motivated to offer <br>
wise problem-solving leaders instead of whatever you want to call their <br>
current nominees.</blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regarding the platform-policies & leaders of the parties you’ve heard of, other than the Democrats & Republicans—what about them isn’t wise, problem-solving?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Michael Ossipoff </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><br>
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