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<p>I nominate two more candidates for the presidential poll: <br>
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Claudia De La Cruz (Party for Socialism and Liberation)<br>
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Peter Sonski (American Solidarity Party)<br>
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And a candidate for the party-PR election: <br>
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African People's Socialist Party<br>
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Chris B.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/07/2024 1:19 pm, Michael Ossipoff
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<div dir="auto">I omitted the Republican Party. Obviously that’s
one that could be voted-for.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at
20:37 Michael Ossipoff <<a
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">There
was interest in a poll about PR. But I feel that first the
PR methods should be tried, used, in a poll with the actual
candidates & parties.
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<div dir="auto">As I mentioned before, there’s no substitute
for the experience of actually using the electoral methods
in polls. You don’t know the methods until you use them.</div>
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<div dir="auto">So I propose a 3-part poll. …presidential
& PR:<br>
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<div dir="auto">1. A Condorcet presidential-poll with 7
candidates + the approval-line. As others have mentioned,
of course it could be counted by any rank-count that
allows equal-ranking. But of course RP(wv) won here as the
most collectively popular, & so its winner should be
reported.</div>
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<div dir="auto">The approval-line of course would allow
counting by methods that use explicit-approval.</div>
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<div dir="auto">…in addition to by the zero-cost
implementation method.</div>
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<div dir="auto">2. A 3-seat STV poll among the same set of
candidates as in the presidential-poll.</div>
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<div dir="auto">…as if we were electing a 3-person
presidential triumvirate, or seats in some 3-member
district in which those candidates are running.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Of course the STV rankings could be counted
by any STV version, & integer STV is (in some ways) an
easier count. But fractional STV is the unarbitrary STV
that doesn’t require a rule or randomizing-process for the
order in which ballots transfer.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Of course, because the STV doesn’t allow
equal-rankin, then its ballots also could & would also
be counted for an RCV count.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Of course if someone wanted to vote
different rankings for STV & RCV, then they could
write both & indicate which is which.</div>
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<div dir="auto">3. A 500-seat at-large party-PR allocation
election. Of course voters vote for their favorite party,
& seats are allocate to the parties in proportion to
their votes.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Reported will be: allocations by:</div>
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<div dir="auto">Sainte-Lague, Bias-Free (Ossipoff-Agnew),
d’Hondt, Largest-Remainder, & Huntington-Hill
(“Equal-Proportions”).</div>
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<div dir="auto">SL & BF probably won’t differ from
eachother.</div>
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<div dir="auto">————-</div>
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<div dir="auto">For the party-PR SL & BF allocation of
500 seats, the requirement for a party being seated 🪑 is
about 1/7 of one percent of the vote.</div>
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<div dir="auto">For the 3-seat STV allocation, the
requirement is being over 1/4 of the vote.</div>
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<div dir="auto">————-</div>
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<div dir="auto">SL, in actual implementations, requires .7
quotas for a party’s 1st seat. That’s to thwart, prevent
& discourage splitting-strategy, which could otherwise
sometimes be advantageous if the conditions were detected.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Because BF & SL give often the same
allocation, then BF should have that same requirement.</div>
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<div dir="auto">That’s taken into account for the
abovestated requirement for a party to be seated.</div>
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<div dir="auto">—————- </div>
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<div dir="auto">Candidates for presidential & STV
elections:</div>
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<div dir="auto">(These listings are alphabetical.)</div>
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<div dir="auto">Joe Biden</div>
<div dir="auto">RFK Jr.</div>
<div dir="auto">Chase Oliver</div>
<div dir="auto">Jill Stein</div>
<div dir="auto">Donald Trump</div>
<div dir="auto">Cornell West</div>
<div dir="auto">Marianne Williamson </div>
<div dir="auto">approval-line———————</div>
<div dir="auto">———————</div>
<div dir="auto">Parties for party-PR election:</div>
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<div dir="auto">American Independent </div>
<div dir="auto">American Solidarity </div>
<div dir="auto">Constitution </div>
<div dir="auto">Democrat</div>
<div dir="auto">Green</div>
<div dir="auto">Libertarian </div>
<div dir="auto">Peace & Freedom</div>
<div dir="auto">Working Family </div>
<div dir="auto">—————</div>
<div dir="auto">Of course if this poll is going to happen,
then additional nominations should be allowed. But we
probably don’t need a week or two for that.</div>
<div dir="auto">Surely any additional nominations would be
made within 2 days. So let’s say that the period for
optional additional nominations ends exactly 48 hours
after this message posts.</div>
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<div dir="auto">…& that the voting period begins at that
same moment.</div>
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<div dir="auto">We don’t need a month for the voting-period,
do we? Shall we say 1 week if there’s no electioneering,
& 2 weeks if there’s electioneering?</div>
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<div dir="auto">Anyone can change any of their ballots
during the voting period.</div>
<div dir="auto">————</div>
<div dir="auto">Of course if this poll happens, & if no
one else volunteers to take the responsibility of
recording the ballots, then I’ll do so. …then of course
will unblock the people I’ve blocked, for that purpose.</div>
<div dir="auto">————-</div>
<div dir="auto">It goes without saying that anything about
the details of this poll could be objected-to, & then,
if others support the objection, then discussion would be
called-for. </div>
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<div dir="auto">It’s always best to avoid the delay caused
by a procedural vote, & so hopefully there will be a
consensus agreement. …or at least it will be
informally-obvious which position is supported or
acceptable to the most people, based on opinions
expressed.</div>
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<div dir="auto">An RP(wv) vote would be a reluctant
last-resort. Anyone could call for it if consensus were
adamantly refused & no position seemed to clearly have
more support or acceptance.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Hopefully none of that will be necessary,
but it’s good to have it mentioned for contingency.</div>
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<div dir="auto">As the proposer of the poll, I should vote
first, immediately at the beginning of the voting-period.
I don’t know if anyone will participate, but, because
there was participation in the previous poll, &
because people have suggested a PR poll, & because
there’s no substitute for using the electoral methods…then
I’ll proceed on the assumption that there’s interest &
that there might be participation.</div>
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<div dir="auto">If the poll doesn’t happen, it won’t be
because I didn’t try to start it.</div>
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