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    <p>I nominate two more candidates for the presidential poll:  <br>
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      Claudia De La Cruz  (Party for Socialism and Liberation)<br>
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      Peter Sonski    (American Solidarity Party)<br>
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      And a candidate for the party-PR election: <br>
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      African People's Socialist Party<br>
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      Chris B.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/07/2024 1:19 pm, Michael Ossipoff
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">I omitted the Republican Party. Obviously that’s
        one that could be voted-for.</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at
            20:37 Michael Ossipoff <<a
              href="mailto:email9648742@gmail.com"
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            wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">There
            was interest in a poll about PR. But I feel that first the
            PR methods should be tried, used,  in a poll with the actual
            candidates & parties.
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            <div dir="auto">As I mentioned before, there’s no substitute
              for the experience of actually using the electoral methods
              in polls. You don’t know the methods until you use them.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">So I propose a 3-part poll.  …presidential
              & PR:<br>
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            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">1.  A Condorcet presidential-poll with 7
              candidates + the approval-line. As others have mentioned,
              of course it could be counted by any rank-count that
              allows equal-ranking. But of course RP(wv) won here as the
              most collectively popular, & so its winner should be
              reported.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">The approval-line of course would allow
              counting by methods that use explicit-approval.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">…in addition to by the zero-cost
              implementation method.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">2. A 3-seat STV poll among the same set of
              candidates as in the presidential-poll.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">…as if we were electing a 3-person
              presidential triumvirate, or seats in some 3-member
              district in which those candidates are running.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Of course the STV rankings could be counted
              by any STV version, & integer STV is (in some ways) an
              easier count. But fractional STV is the unarbitrary STV
              that doesn’t require a rule or randomizing-process for the
              order in which ballots transfer.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">Of course, because the STV doesn’t allow
              equal-rankin, then its ballots also could & would also
              be counted for an RCV count.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Of course if someone wanted to vote
              different rankings for STV & RCV, then they could
              write both & indicate which is which.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">3. A 500-seat at-large party-PR allocation
              election. Of course voters vote for their favorite party,
              & seats are allocate to the parties in proportion to
              their votes.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Reported will be: allocations by:</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Sainte-Lague, Bias-Free (Ossipoff-Agnew),
              d’Hondt, Largest-Remainder, & Huntington-Hill
              (“Equal-Proportions”).</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">SL & BF probably won’t differ from
              eachother.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">————-</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">For the party-PR SL & BF allocation of
              500 seats, the requirement for a party being seated 🪑 is
              about 1/7 of one percent of the vote.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">For the 3-seat STV allocation, the
              requirement is being over 1/4 of the vote.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">————-</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">SL, in actual implementations, requires .7
              quotas for a party’s 1st seat. That’s to thwart, prevent
              & discourage splitting-strategy, which could otherwise
              sometimes be advantageous if the conditions were detected.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Because BF & SL give often the same
              allocation, then BF should have that same requirement.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">That’s taken into account for the
              abovestated requirement for a party to be seated.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">—————- </div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">Candidates for presidential & STV
              elections:</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">(These listings are alphabetical.)</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">Joe Biden</div>
            <div dir="auto">RFK Jr.</div>
            <div dir="auto">Chase Oliver</div>
            <div dir="auto">Jill Stein</div>
            <div dir="auto">Donald Trump</div>
            <div dir="auto">Cornell West</div>
            <div dir="auto">Marianne Williamson </div>
            <div dir="auto">approval-line———————</div>
            <div dir="auto">———————</div>
            <div dir="auto">Parties for party-PR election:</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">American Independent </div>
            <div dir="auto">American Solidarity </div>
            <div dir="auto">Constitution </div>
            <div dir="auto">Democrat</div>
            <div dir="auto">Green</div>
            <div dir="auto">Libertarian </div>
            <div dir="auto">Peace & Freedom</div>
            <div dir="auto">Working Family </div>
            <div dir="auto">—————</div>
            <div dir="auto">Of course if this poll is going to happen,
              then additional nominations should be allowed. But we
              probably don’t need a week or two for that.</div>
            <div dir="auto">Surely any additional nominations would be
              made within 2 days. So let’s say that the period for
              optional additional nominations ends exactly 48 hours
              after this message posts.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">…& that the voting period begins at that
              same moment.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">We don’t need a month for the voting-period,
              do we? Shall we say 1 week if there’s no electioneering,
              & 2 weeks if there’s electioneering?</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Anyone can change any of their ballots
              during the voting period.</div>
            <div dir="auto">————</div>
            <div dir="auto">Of course if this poll happens, & if no
              one else volunteers to take the responsibility of
              recording the ballots, then I’ll do so.  …then of course
              will unblock the people I’ve blocked, for that purpose.</div>
            <div dir="auto">————-</div>
            <div dir="auto">It goes without saying that anything about
              the details of this poll could be objected-to, & then,
              if others support the objection, then discussion would be
              called-for. </div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">It’s always best to avoid the delay caused
              by a procedural vote, & so hopefully there will be a
              consensus agreement. …or at least it will be
              informally-obvious which position is supported or
              acceptable to the most people, based on opinions
              expressed.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">An RP(wv) vote would be a reluctant
              last-resort. Anyone could call for it if consensus were
              adamantly refused & no position seemed to clearly have
              more support or acceptance.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">Hopefully none of that will be necessary,
              but it’s good to have it mentioned for contingency.</div>
            <div dir="auto">————-</div>
            <div dir="auto">As the proposer of the poll, I should vote
              first, immediately at the beginning of the voting-period.
              I don’t know if anyone will participate, but, because
              there was participation in the previous poll, &
              because people have suggested a PR poll, & because
              there’s no substitute for using the electoral methods…then
              I’ll proceed on the assumption that there’s interest &
              that there might be participation.</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">If the poll doesn’t happen, it won’t be
              because I didn’t try to start it.</div>
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