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><i> Double Defeat,Hare means you form a candidate ranking using the IRV elimination order and then you elect the first (i.e. best, last-eliminated) candidate in the ranking who is permissible under Chris Benham's Double Defeat criterion. The criterion says you can't be elected if you have less approval than a candidate who pairwise defeats you.
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So the "Double Defeat,Hare" method requires that each voter indicate an
approval cutoff within their ranked choice ballot?
So we cannot use the Double Defeat,Hare method on the Burlington
election data, right?
How would the Approval cutoff be indicated on a ranked choice ballot on
which the voter marks ovals in "choice" columns? I'm asking because
that's the only kind of ballot used here in Oregon, where everyone votes
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Richard,<br>
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The answer to your first two questions is yes, but maybe in the
case of the Burlington election data we can make reasonable or
plausible speculations about where the voters might have put their
approval cutoffs.<br>
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In answer to your last question, one possible option would be to
have the approval cutoff listed as one the candidates, maybe named
"Approve none below". Ballots that truncate this "candidate"
would be counted as approving all the candidates they do rank.<br>
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This is fine by me, except that if there aren't enough "ovals" to
allow voters to strictly rank as many candidates as they like,
this extra "candidate" will somewhat exacerbate that problem.<br>
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Am I right is guessing these ballots are counted by some machine
that wouldn't be interested in any marks outside the ovals?
Googling around I found this interview with a couple of "Ranked
Choice Voting" for Oregon promoters:<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9xbBHan07U">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9xbBHan07U</a><br>
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The discussion isn't very technical or "neutral". Don't you know
the RCV magically elects more "people of colour", young people and
women? I suppose it may in practice and if that motivates people
to vote for it that is a good thing.<br>
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Chris B.<br>
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