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<p><font size="4">Why are we having a public discussion about a
voting method criterion without anyone giving its definition,
and with apparently most of the participants in the discussion
knowing nothing about it besides its name?</font><br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://electowiki.org/wiki/Strategy-free_criterion">https://electowiki.org/wiki/Strategy-free_criterion</a><br>
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size="4">The<span> </span><b>strategy-free criterion</b><span> </span>is
a<span> </span><a
href="https://electowiki.org/wiki/Voting_system_criterion"
title="Voting system criterion"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(51, 102, 204); background: none; overflow-wrap: break-word;">voting
system criterion</a><span> </span>for evaluating<span> </span><a
href="https://electowiki.org/wiki/Voting_system"
class="mw-redirect" title="Voting system"
style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(51, 102, 204); background: none; overflow-wrap: break-word;">voting
systems</a>.</font></p>
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size="4"><span class="mw-headline" id="Definitions">Definitions</span></font></h2>
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size="4">A sincere vote is one with no falsified preferences
or preferences left unspecified when the election method
allows them to be specified (in addition to the preferences
already specified).</font></p>
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size="4">One candidate is preferred over another candidate
if, in a one-on-one competition, more voters prefer the
first candidate than prefer the other candidate.</font></p>
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size="4">If one candidate is preferred over each of the
other candidates, that candidate is called "Condorcet
candidate" or "Condorcet winner".</font></p>
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size="4"><span class="mw-headline"
id="Statement_of_criterion">Statement of criterion</span></font></h2>
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<p style="margin: 0px;"><font size="4">If a Condorcet
candidate exists, and if a majority prefers this candidate
to another candidate, then the other candidate should not
win if that majority votes sincerely and no other voter
falsifies any preferences.</font></p>
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size="4">In a ranked method, it is nearly equivalent to say:</font></p>
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<p style="margin: 0px;"><font size="4">If more than half of
the voters rank<span> </span><i>x</i><span> </span>above<span> </span><i>y</i>,
and there is no candidate<span> </span><i>z</i><span> </span>whom
more than half of the voters rank above<span> </span><i>x</i>,
then<span> </span><i>y</i><span> </span>must not be
elected.</font></p>
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I think this evolved into the Minimal Defense criterion, the
"votes-only version" of which says that if more than half the
voters vote A over B and B no higher than equal-bottom then B
can't win.</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/05/2024 9:46 pm, Michael Ossipoff
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Some time ago, I wrote a criterion that I called
Strategy-Free-Criterion (SFC).</div>
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<div dir="auto">Is that what you were referring to?</div>
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<div dir="auto">It was about a circumstance in which wv Condorcet
is strategy-free. At that time, autodeterence hadn’t been
considered.</div>
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<div dir="auto">SFC didn’t catch-on, & I haven’t heard mention
of it lately, & so I don’t know it’s definition. But wv
Condorcet is strategy-free in a meaningful sense.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 31, 2024 at
05:07 Michael Ossipoff <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">email9648742@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 29, 2024
at 14:15 Closed Limelike Curves <<a
moz-do-not-send="true">closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com</a>> </div>
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<div>I'm trying to work out how the strategy-free
criterion actually relates to strategy, because it
just sounds like it means the majority-Condorcet
criterion ("if a candidate majority-beats every
other, they have to win if everyone is honest"). <a
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moz-do-not-send="true">@Michael Ossipoff</a> ?</div>
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<div dir="auto"> Closed, isn’t “Strategy-Free Criterion”
your new name for FBC.</div>
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<div dir="auto">It’s a very inaccurate name. FBC-complying
methods aren’t strategy-free in any sense.</div>
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<div dir="auto"> But they’re free of any need for *drastic*
defensive strategy (favorite-burial or any defensive
order-reversal).</div>
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<div dir="auto">You want strategy-free? The wv Condorcet
methods, such as RP(wv) & MinMax(wv), are
strategy-free in a meaningful sense…effectively free of
need for any defensive strategy…due to their
autodeterence.</div>
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