<div dir="auto">Very much agreed. I move we postpone the poll indefinitely. <br clear="all"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span>On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:13 AM Closed Limelike Curves <<a href="mailto:closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com">closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></p></div></div></div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div dir="ltr">We could just postpone it.<div><br></div><div dir="auto">But in any case I don't know what this poll is supposed to accomplish.</div><div dir="auto">1. The number of methods is so large that everyone's ballot is missing half the methods, I presume on an oversight, because there's just no way people have that strong of an opinion on </div><div dir="auto">2. <span style="font-family:-apple-system,helveticaneue">The pairwise matrix is going to end up so degenerate as to be useless. It'll be full of cycles and ties. </span>The number of voters is so small, and the number of outcomes is sufficiently large, that the pairwise matrix is effectively meaningless and dominated by noise. Every outcome will look something like "4-2"—in other words, random noise.</div><div dir="auto">3. <span style="font-family:-apple-system,helveticaneue">I think all of us know each other's rough opinions on this topic. </span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The issue with this poll is it approached the topic as a question of voting when it isn't. Good voting methods aren't always good statistical methods.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If I had cardinal ballots, I could fit a multilevel hierarchical model and possibly get something meaningful out of it. But as is the data here is effectively useless.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 3:10 PM Kristofer Munsterhjelm <<a href="mailto:km_elmet@t-online.de" target="_blank">km_elmet@t-online.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">On 2024-05-10 23:49, Toby Pereira wrote:<br>
> It probably would have been better to have more warning for the <br>
> impending end of the poll. I'm not going to have time to give this a <br>
> proper go now. I know it has been referred to previously, but with so <br>
> many posts on the topic, it's not that easy to find.<br>
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That's entirely understandable. Sorry about that; in retrospect I should <br>
have posted that earlier.<br>
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-km<br>
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