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<font size="4">I am mostly agnostic about WV vs. Margins for
defeat strength but I sorta resonate more with margins.</font></blockquote>
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<font size="4">No Margins method was nominated, which is
presumably why no-one bothered to compare it with Winning Votes.
If a lot of voters truncate (which they have a perfect right to)
Margins becomes completely absurd.<br>
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A method I didn't think to nominate in time (but probably would
if we did this again) is Condorcet//Hare. It is a possible
political-compromise kludge that is much better than
Condorcet//Plurality, Margins, and STAR.<br>
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You really hate Score that much?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/05/2024 10:37 am, robert
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<div dir="auto"><font size="4">Okay, here is my ballot. With
Write-In candidates.</font></div>
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<div dir="auto"><font size="4">1. Condorcet-Plurality </font></div>
<div dir="auto"><font size="4">2. MinMax</font></div>
<div dir="auto"><font size="4">3. Ranked-Pairs</font></div>
<div dir="auto"><font size="4">4. Schulze</font></div>
<div dir="auto"><font size="4">5. BTR-IRV</font></div>
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<div dir="auto"><font size="4">======== Approval cutoff point</font></div>
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<div dir="auto"><font size="4">6. all other Condorcet-consistent
methods</font></div>
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<div dir="auto"><font size="4">N: Hare IRV</font></div>
<div dir="auto"><font size="4">N+1: Approval</font></div>
<div dir="auto"><font size="4">N+2: STAR</font></div>
<div dir="auto"><font size="4">N+3: FPTP</font></div>
<div dir="auto"><font size="4">N+4: Score</font></div>
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<div dir="auto"><font size="4">I am mostly agnostic about WV vs.
Margins for defeat strength but I sorta resonate more with
margins. My principal motivation are methods that are good
(so it has to be Condorcet) and might have the best chance
for adoption in legislation for public elections to
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<div dir="auto"><font size="4"><b>From: </b>Michael Ossipoff<email9648742@gmail.com></email9648742@gmail.com></font></div>
<div dir="auto"><font size="4"><b>Date: </b>Fri, May 10, 2024
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<div dir="auto"><font size="4"><b>To: </b>Kristofer
Munsterhjelm;</font></div>
<div dir="auto"><font size="4"><b>Cc: </b>EM;robert
bristow-johnson;</font></div>
<div dir="auto"><font size="4"><b>Subject:</b>Re: [EM] POLL:
Approaching deadline: <a href="tel:2024-05-11 05"
moz-do-not-send="true">2024-05-11 05</a>:15:00 UTC</font></div>
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<div dir="auto"><font size="4">But we’ve all posted our ballots,
& so, if someone wanted to strategally take advantage of
the information about the other ballots, they’ve already got
that information anyway.</font></div>
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<div dir="auto"><font size="4">So there doesn’t seem to be a
need to conceal our ballots from eachother to prevent
strategic use of them. … because that information is already
out.</font></div>
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<div dir="auto"><font size="4">So why not just say that a
person’s most recent posted ballot (which could be what that
person has already posted) before the deadline, counts as
that person’s ballot.</font></div>
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<div dir="auto"><font size="4">If people feel that there hasn’t
been enough close-notice about the deadline, should we
advance the deadline by 2 days?</font></div>
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10, 2024 at 14:41 Kristofer Munsterhjelm <<a
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size="4">On <a href="tel:2024-05-10 23"
moz-do-not-send="true">2024-05-10 23</a>:37, Kristofer
Munsterhjelm wrote:<br>
> On <a href="tel:2024-05-10 22"
moz-do-not-send="true">2024-05-10 22</a>:34, robert
bristow-johnson wrote:<br>
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>> I hadn't known that we were actually voting. I
don't need to vote by <br>
>> secret ballot, but I don't want to necessarily
influence other votes.<br>
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>> Should I just send a ballot to you, Kristofer?
How do we do this?<br>
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> I think this is the easiest way to do it:<br>
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> Send your ballot to me, Michael Ossipoff, or both.
Then post it to the <br>
> list once the deadline is up. I'll verify that you
sent it to me before <br>
> the deadline. (And I imagine Michael would do the
same if you sent the <br>
> ballot to him.)<br>
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I forgot to say: if you change your mind after having
sent your ballot, <br>
just send your modified ballot later. As long as it's
inside the <br>
deadline, the last one you submitted is the one that
counts.<br>
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