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<p>Jack, I think that your argument FPTP does not exist in the US
because of primaries is a sleight of hand, so to speak. <br>
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<p>FPTP is still FPTP. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a
duck.... You could equally argue that FPTP does not exist in the
UK because, as I have known locally in the past and no doubt
present, a 20-person local party committee or caucus steers the
selection process. That is a "primary" of sorts.</p>
<p>The contention has interest as an illustration of how far
academics will go to apologise for FPTP. Why extenuate such an
indefensible system? FPTP is not complicated, it is simply
incomplete. FPTP is not an election, it is only the first stage of
an election. It would be nice to hear that loud and clear from
academics, and, conceivably, political beneficiaries.</p>
<p>Regards, <br>
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<p>Richard Lung,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/05/2024 20:39, Jack Santucci
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<div dir="ltr">Political scientist here. Please don't pelt me with
rotten fruit.
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<div>We generally use three categories to differentiate
electoral systems. The number of categories depends on who's
writing, but everyone pretty much agrees on three: district
magnitude (1 in your case), ballot type (categorical in your
case), and then allocation rule (plurality in your case).</div>
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<div>Shugart, Latner, and I argued<span
class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://protectdemocracy.org/work/toward-a-different-kind-of-party-government/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">here</a><span
class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>that 'FPFP' did
not really exist in the US due to the widespread use of
primaries, some of which have been replaced with nonpartisan
winnowing rounds (AK, CA, etc). FWIW, Burnett and Kogan (2015)
<a
href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2519723"
moz-do-not-send="true">noted</a> this elision in their
conclusion nearly a decade ago.</div>
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<div>Other examples of plurality allocation with categorical
ballots <i>and multi-seat districts</i>:</div>
<div>- multiple non-transferable vote (incl. as limited voting)</div>
<div>- single non-transferable vote (incl. as limited voting)</div>
<div>- cumulative voting</div>
<div>- etc...</div>
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<div>I generally stay quiet, but this issue is fundamental
enough, I think, to merit the above contribution. FPTP often
comes across as an imaginary target.</div>
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<div>A purist might insist on calling IRV 'plurality' as well,
so long as it does not require the voter to rank all choices.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:10 PM
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<div dir="ltr">I just need to double-check I haven't
gone completely insane and both of these terms really are
synonyms. Comments on the talk page would be helpful:
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