<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Wait, 45% of the ballots in this election violate the strictly-single-peaked assumption. Center seems to be just as polarizing/hated as Left and Right. Under these ballots, "center" isn't a centrist candidate, he's some kind of third position. (Maybe you could get this result if you had a fascist/populist running against extremely polarized conservatives and liberals? You need some kind of circular ideological spectrum for this election to happen with sincere ballots.)</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">So I have no intuition for who should win, because this isn't a single-dimensional election. If the ballots are perfectly honest, your "Right" candidate should win because he's the optimal-utility candidate. The single-peaked preference assumption is violated too badly for Condorcet to be a good guide here.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 8:43 AM robert bristow-johnson <<a href="mailto:rbj@audioimagination.com">rbj@audioimagination.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 04/13/2024 10:57 AM EDT Closed Limelike Curves <<a href="mailto:closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com" target="_blank">closed.limelike.curves@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> If it's incredibly close, vote honestly.<br>
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But that doesn't necessarily serve my political interests. Again, this example demonstrates that:<br>
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3 candidates:<br>
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L => Left candidate<br>
C => Center candidate<br>
R => Right candidate<br>
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100 voters:<br>
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- 34 Left voters:<br>
--- 23 ballots: L:5 C:1 R:0<br>
--- 4 ballots: L:5 C:0 R:1<br>
--- 7 ballots: L:5 C:0 R:0<br>
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- 29 Center voters:<br>
--- 15 ballots: L:1 C:5 R:0<br>
--- 9 ballots: L:0 C:5 R:1<br>
--- 5 ballots: L:0 C:5 R:0<br>
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- 37 Right voters:<br>
--- 17 ballots: L:0 C:1 R:5<br>
--- 5 ballots: L:1 C:0 R:5<br>
--- 15 ballots: L:0 C:0 R:5<br>
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Score totals:<br>
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Left = 34x5 + 15 + 5 = 190<br>
Center = 29x5 + 23 + 17 = 185<br>
Right = 37x5 + 9 + 4 = 198<br>
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With Score or FPTP, Right wins.<br>
With STAR or IRV, Left wins.<br>
With Condorcet, Center wins.<br>
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What should the Center voters do to best realize their political interests? What should the Right voters, who liked Center better than Left, do to best realize their political interests?<br>
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And, again, how do I know, in advance, whether my favorite candidate is a front runner or not?<br>
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Lastly, how is this STAR thing *not* tactical voting? If I vote non-tactically, I might just be screwing myself as demonstrated above.<br>
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r b-j<br>
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On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 12:02 PM robert bristow-johnson <<a href="mailto:rbj@audioimagination.com" target="_blank">rbj@audioimagination.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> > > My goodness, I certainly disagree with that.<br>
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> > > How high do I score my second-favorite candidate (or my lesser-evil candidate)?<br>
> > You max-score them if your favorite isn't one of the frontrunners.<br>
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> How will I know that, in a close 3-way race?<br>
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> Why would I want to throw away my vote for my fav by equal-scoring my lesser-evil to my fav?<br>
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