<div dir="auto">That’s what you’re implying when you describe it in terms of “truth.”</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 7:46 PM Richard Lung <<a href="mailto:voting@ukscientists.com">voting@ukscientists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><u></u>

  
    
  
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    <p>"there’s no one universal set of principles that govern the
      perfect electoral system."</p>
    <p>Whoever said there was. <br>
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    <div>On 12/04/2024 15:03, Michael Garman
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      <div dir="auto">“Truth” is perhaps not the appropriate word here —
        there’s no one universal set of principles that govern the
        perfect electoral system. <br clear="all">
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                  Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 3:58 PM Richard Lung <<a href="mailto:voting@ukscientists.com" target="_blank">voting@ukscientists.com</a>>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold"">This
                  poll, I gather from the unfamiliar sounding names, is
                  of single-member systems. But there need not be two
                  classes of election systems, single-member and
                  multi-member. There are not two truths of electoral
                  system. There is (one truth) general electoral system</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold"">It
                  has been believed that the lack of proportional
                  representation in single-member systems set them
                  apart. But this is not necessarily the case. It is
                  possible to have a general election system that works
                  the same way for single-member systems as multi-member
                  systems. Indeed (pardon me) I have invented it! The
                  way it is done is to hold both an election count and
                  an exclusion count, based on keep values, and average
                  them, whether in a single or multi-member system.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold"">This
                  redeems single-member systems for a rational count, as
                  in multi-member systems. Without this, single-member
                  systems, unlike multi-member systems, are stuck at a
                  sub-rational level of accuracy, and are basically
                  (“last past the post”) elimination counts.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold"">Regards,</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold"">Richard
                  Lung.</span></p>
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              <div>On 11/04/2024 07:45, Chris Benham wrote:<br>
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                Have the nominations closed?   Not that I want to
                nominate another method. <br>
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                There has been very little electioneering, with I think
                most of the nominated methods not even being mentioned.
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                Some haven't even been explained let alone discussed or
                promoted. <br>
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                When does voting close? <br>
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