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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I will mention why I nominated Smith//Score. This method uses rated ballots, but uses them to infer a ranking. If there is a Condorcet winner, they are elected. Otherwise, elect the score winner of the Smith Set (the top cycle). I previously put why I think rated ballots work well for Condorcet (see below). And given a rated ballot, electing the highest scored candidate given no Condorcet winner seems the most simple and logical option, and shouldn't damage independence of clones or monotonicity. It also sidesteps any worry/complications over whether margins/winning votes etc. are the best thing to look at.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Toby</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; outline: none !important;">>I think one problem of burial-resistant methods is that they assume the electorate are aware of the consequences of it and will act accordingly. I think it might be a bit optimistic to expect the average voter to behave any differently using any method that uses a specific ballot type. Using a ranked ballot, if A and B are the frontrunning candidates, then supporters of A might rank B bottom because it's the obvious thing to do (which has been pointed out on here before I believe). Do you think the adoption of a specific Condorcet method will prevent that? I'm not convinced.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; outline: none !important;"><br clear="none" style="outline: none !important;"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; outline: none !important;">>Also, if there are two frontrunning candidates, A and B, it's quite likely anyway that supporters of A will see B as the worst candidate anyway, below the ones they know very little about. So it wouldn't really even be an act of burial, and therefore honest voting behaviour could cause a non-entity to win, because this is what burial-resistant methods do.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; outline: none !important;"><br clear="none" style="outline: none !important;"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; outline: none !important;">>I've said this before, but possibly the best solution for a Condorcet method would to be to use rated ballots. In this case B is less likely to be buried by the A supporters, because they would be likely to score the non-entity candidates 0 as well.</div></div><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Thursday, 11 April 2024 at 08:37:54 BST, Michael Ossipoff <email9648742@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp4029d99dyiv5861860071"><div><br></div><div><br><div class="ydp4029d99dyiv5861860071gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="ydp4029d99dyiv5861860071gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 23:45 Chris Benham <<a href="mailto:cbenhamau@yahoo.com.au" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">cbenhamau@yahoo.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);" class="ydp4029d99dyiv5861860071gmail_quote"><br>
Have the nominations closed? </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, at 5:14:59 GMT, April 12th.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);" class="ydp4029d99dyiv5861860071gmail_quote">Not that I want to nominate another method.<br>
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There has been very little electioneering, with I think most of the <br>
nominated methods not even being mentioned.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, we weren’t given any information on most of the nominees. People should have told the advantages/merits of their nominees.</div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);" class="ydp4029d99dyiv5861860071gmail_quote"><br>
Some haven't even been explained let alone discussed or promoted.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Exactly. That’s why I ranked most of them all together at the same rank-position. The ones I know about & like ranked in order of merit, then the ones that I don’t know equal-ranked, & then, below them, the ones I know that I don’t like. Pluraity was at bottom, as everyone agrees, & so there was no reason to rank it.</div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);" class="ydp4029d99dyiv5861860071gmail_quote"><br></blockquote></div></div></div></div>
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