<div dir="ltr">Also, regarding the Otis interview, here's the <a href="https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2024/03/19/could-ranked-choice-voting-take-the-poison-out-of-politics">transcript</a>. This is her description of the tabulation process. No lies detected.<div><img src="cid:ii_lu042sgn1" alt="image.png" width="472" height="252"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 7:02 PM Michael Garman <<a href="mailto:michael.garman@rankthevote.us">michael.garman@rankthevote.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I accessed the page on desktop instead of mobile and found the text you quoted. That's incorrect, I agree. FairVote should change the language they use.<div><br></div><div>However, I will tell you -- as someone who has talked to thousands of people previously opposed to the concept of any electoral reform and convinced them of the advantages of IRV over the current system -- that I have never once used the misleading verbiage on the FairVote site, nor have any of the many other IRV activists with whom I regularly interact.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 6:55 PM Michael Garman <<a href="mailto:michael.garman@rankthevote.us" target="_blank">michael.garman@rankthevote.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Where are you seeing the material you quoted? I agree that what you’re quoting is inaccurate. However, here’s what I see when I click your link. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir="auto"><br clear="all"><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:roc-grotesk;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:-0.2px;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;background-color:rgb(241,237,229);color:rgb(20,58,90);display:inline">Ballots that </span><span style="font-family:roc-grotesk;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;letter-spacing:-0.2px;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;background-color:rgb(241,237,229);color:rgb(20,58,90);display:inline"><b style="font-family:roc-grotesk">do not help voters’ top choices</b></span><span style="font-family:roc-grotesk;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:-0.2px;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;background-color:rgb(241,237,229);color:rgb(20,58,90);display:inline"> win count for their next choice.</span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div style="background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir="auto"><div style="color:rgb(255,255,255);background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir="auto"><font style="font-family:-apple-system,helveticaneue;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)">there’s a difference between “if your first choice doesn’t win, your ballot counts for your next choice” (wrong) and “if your ballot isn’t being used to support your first choice, it’s being used to support your next choice still in the running” (accurate)</font></div></div><br clear="all"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span></span></p><div><div><img src="cid:18e5cfd40185157d22b1" style="max-width: 100%;"></div>On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 6:48 PM robert bristow-johnson <<a href="mailto:rbj@audioimagination.com" target="_blank">rbj@audioimagination.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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> On 03/20/2024 1:04 PM EDT Michael Garman <<a href="mailto:michael.garman@rankthevote.us" target="_blank">michael.garman@rankthevote.us</a>> wrote:<br>
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> No, they were promised that if their first-choice candidate was out of the running, their vote would count for their second choice. Important distinction!<br>
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Michael, you cannot be both honest and informed. What you just said is false.<br>
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>From <a href="https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting/</a> <br>
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"With RCV, voters can sincerely rank candidates in order of preference. Voters know that if their first choice doesn’t win, their vote automatically counts for their next choice instead. This frees voters from worrying about how others will vote and which candidates are more or less likely to win.<br>
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Candidates can compete without fear of “splitting the vote” with like-minded individuals."<br>
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Just tell the truth. I'm not Michael Ossipoff, but I am also just tired of this shit. Yesterday they had Deb Otis on the WBUR radio show On Point. Lie, lie, lie, lie...<br>
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If you can't be honest with us about the promise they make about RCV and the actual performance, nobody should have a conversation with you. It's like talking to a Trumper.<br>
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