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<p><font face="Comic Sans MS">You're changing the subject. And I
grew up in the Twin Cities, was educated in the Twin Cities, and
still live here in Minneapolis.<br>
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The Farmer-Labor Party was its own for several decades in
Minnesota. They were so successful they scared the Democrats,
who subverted them into merging: D + FL = DFL, what Minnesota's
Democratic Party now is, with few if any vestiges of the FL.<br>
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Please -- give me some credit for knowing my local history. And
for being able to count: Eight Governors, four US Senators, and
eight US House members is a few more than one Bernie, if he'd
even let you count him as VPP.<br>
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But unlike what's going on in the other threads, I'm not trying
to get into a prolonged pissing contest with you. I stated a
fact, with a supporting link. If the VPP has more high-level
electeds, please let me know and I'll correct what I wrote.<br>
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And please don't split hairs over VPP is now and FL was then.
Wilt Chamberlain is dead almost 25 years, but that doesn't
change all the NBA records he set and still holds.<br>
- Ken Bearman, Minneapolis MN<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I grew up 20 miles west of Fargo, but the local news was both sides of the Red River.
Ever since I had been on this planet, it's been the "DFL". What do you think the "D" is for? It *was* a third party, separate from the Democrats, long ago, but not now.
The Vermont Progressive Party is existing now. As a separate party with a separate ballot on Primary Day in August. There are issues (that I don't like). Too many Progs are running as fusion candidates and they don't even run in their own party primary. Then the Prog voters cross over and take a Democrat ballot and vote. Sometimes the Prog displaces the incumbent Dem with this strategy because Progs cross over and GOP don't (they vote in their own primary). But the Dem would win against the Prog in the general, but the Dem got primary'd.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On 03/20/2024 11:41 PM EDT KenB <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kdbearman@gmail.com"><kdbearman@gmail.com></a> wrote:
Other issues aside, anyone who knows about Minnesota's Farmer-Labor Party knows your Progressive Party is a poor second at best. "At its height in the 1920s and 1930s, FLP members included three Minnesota governors, four United States senators, eight United States representatives and a majority in the Minnesota legislature.<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Farmer%E2%80%93Labor_PartyOn3/20/20243:19PM,robertbristow-johnsonwroteinthetopic">" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Farmer%E2%80%93Labor_Party
On 3/20/2024 3:19 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote in the topic "</a>No. Condorcet and Hare do not share the same problem with computational complexity and process transparency.":
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">the Vermont Progressive Party, the most successful third party in the United States (if you measure success by getting people elected).
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