<div dir="auto">Call it what you want, but Worst wins because you ranked Best 1st instead of ranking Good 1st.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Contrary to FairVote’s promise, your ballot doesn’t help your 2nd choice when your favorite is unable to win, because your 2nd choice is no longer there.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">FairVote’s promise is an intentional false-statement. We have a word for intentional false statements. It’s called a lie.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When a lie is used to sell a product to a trusting buyer, we have a word for that too. It’s called fraud.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 08:07 Greg Dennis <<a href="mailto:greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org">greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">But if we're being precise, Best could never be "eliminated" in your scenario. There would be only two candidates left, and so the tallying would necessarily end in that round with two candidates. Anyone who ranked Best>Good>Worst would have their ballot counted towards Best in the final round, after Good is eliminated. It would never be counted towards Worst.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 8:50 PM Michael Ossipoff <<a href="mailto:email9648742@gmail.com" target="_blank">email9648742@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Greg—</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then Best gets eliminated.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So all that remains is Worst.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the Good-supporters either didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was to  Worst.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">…but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, when I meant “Good-supporters”.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis <<a href="mailto:greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org" target="_blank">greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- it is never counted for "Worst."<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff <<a href="mailto:email9648742@gmail.com" target="_blank">email9648742@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">



















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said:<span></span></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">No,
it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2^nd choice] , unless your
2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You &<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Richie
forgot to include the word "Maybe"<span></span></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Michael
Garman said:<span></span></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Fine…it
counts for your next highest choice still in the running. Which is<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">also
a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” language you cite.<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Satisfied?<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">…<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Does that person have any idea what he’s saying?</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">…<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Say the election is between Best,
Good, &Worst. <span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">…<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">You rank Best>Good>Worst.<span></span></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Good gets eliminated first, &
then Best gets eliminated, & either hir ballots don’t have a 2^nd
choice, or hir transfers go to Worst. According to our friend here, now Good is
no longer your 2^nd choice. The elimination of Good makes Worst your
2^nd choice, & so FairVote’s promise is kept:<span>  </span>Your 2^nd choice, Worst is elected
!!<span></span></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Oh, but wait, it gets even better:<span></span></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Worst isn’t only your 2^nd
choice now:<span>  </span>By our IRVist friend’s
definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1^st choice (because
he’s the only remaining candidate). <span></span></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Congratulations !! You’ve elected
your 1^st choice, Worst !!!~<span></span></span></p>

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I present to you exhibit B, further confirmation of the universal astounding
dishonesty of the promotion of RCV.<span></span></span></p>





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