<div dir="auto">In your scenario, the candidate you like second most gets eliminated first, and the transfers indicate that the candidate you like least is more popular than the one you like most. That’s unfortunate for you, but it doesn’t mean IRV is inherently flawed. </div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 9:18 AM Michael Ossipoff <<a href="mailto:email9648742@gmail.com">email9648742@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 23:32 Michael Garman <<a href="mailto:michael.garman@rankthevote.us" target="_blank">michael.garman@rankthevote.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Your problem here is that the electorate doesn’t agree with your preferences, not that the system is broken. </div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What system? RCV? It isn’t broken, but it’s being fraudulently-promoted.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It’s about lying. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The public have a right to know what they’re getting & what it will do, when they enact a voting-system.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is the false promotion intended to sell them something that they wouldn’t buy without the lying?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Why else lie?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That isn’t the conduct of someone who cares about the electorate or the population.</div></div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 2:50 AM Michael Ossipoff <<a href="mailto:email9648742@gmail.com" target="_blank">email9648742@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Greg—</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then Best gets eliminated.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So all that remains is Worst.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the Good-supporters either didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was to Worst.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">…but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, when I meant “Good-supporters”.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis <<a href="mailto:greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org" target="_blank">greg.dennis@voterchoicema.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"><div>Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two candidates (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the most votes wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- it is never counted for "Worst."<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff <<a href="mailto:email9648742@gmail.com" target="_blank">email9648742@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">I
said:<span style="font-family:"Courier New""></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">No,
it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2<sup style="font-family:"Courier New"">nd</sup> choice] , unless your
2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You &<span style="font-family:"Courier New""></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Richie
forgot to include the word "Maybe"<span style="font-family:"Courier New""></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">…<span style="font-family:"Courier New""></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Michael
Garman said:<span style="font-family:"Courier New""></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">…<span style="font-family:"Courier New""></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Fine…it
counts for your next highest choice still in the running. Which is<span style="font-family:"Courier New""></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">also
a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” language you cite.<span style="font-family:"Courier New""></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Satisfied?<span style="font-family:"Courier New""></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">…<span style="font-family:"Courier New""></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Does that person have any idea what he’s saying?</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New""><span style="font-family:"Courier New""></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">…<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Say the election is between Best,
Good, &Worst. <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">…<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">You rank Best>Good>Worst.<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">…<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Good gets eliminated first, &
then Best gets eliminated, & either hir ballots don’t have a 2<sup style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">nd</sup>
choice, or hir transfers go to Worst. According to our friend here, now Good is
no longer your 2<sup style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">nd</sup> choice. The elimination of Good makes Worst your
2<sup style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">nd</sup> choice, & so FairVote’s promise is kept:<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span>Your 2<sup style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">nd</sup> choice, Worst is elected
!!<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">…<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Oh, but wait, it gets even better:<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">…<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Worst isn’t only your 2<sup style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">nd</sup>
choice now:<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span>By our IRVist friend’s
definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1<sup style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">st</sup> choice (because
he’s the only remaining candidate). <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">…<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Congratulations !! You’ve elected
your 1<sup style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">st</sup> choice, Worst !!!~<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">…<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 10pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury:
I present to you exhibit B, further confirmation of the universal astounding
dishonesty of the promotion of RCV.<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"></span></span></p>
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