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<div class="moz-forward-container">Dear EM list</div>
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<div class="moz-forward-container"> I know nothing about coding, but
I've asked a firm to do the job of open source coding basic or
first order Binomial STV (using Meek surplus transers). <br>
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<div class="moz-forward-container">The link is in the preceding
forwarded post, freely available for all who understand such
things (not me).</div>
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<div class="moz-forward-container">(The code had a front-end
"enhancement", not linked, giving winners automatically. STV
systems don't work that way. You have to see every stage of the
count, leading up to the result. So, I don't understand that part
of it, either.)</div>
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<div class="moz-forward-container">Regards,</div>
<div class="moz-forward-container">Richard Lung.<br>
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<td>Re: Binomial (Meek) STV^1.</td>
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<th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Date: </th>
<td>Thu, 5 Oct 2023 23:53:08 +0530</td>
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<th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">From: </th>
<td>AMIT GUPTA <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ag@centrelocus.com"><ag@centrelocus.com></a></td>
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<td>Richard Lung <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:voting@ukscientists.com"><voting@ukscientists.com></a></td>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Richard,<br>
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<div>The code is now published publicly. </div>
<div>here is the link: <a
href="https://github.com/Esrot-Clients/STV_CSV/tree/master"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/Esrot-Clients/STV_CSV/tree/master</a></div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>amit</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at
11:40 PM AMIT GUPTA <<a href="mailto:ag@centrelocus.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ag@centrelocus.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hello Richard,</div>
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<div dir="auto">I can understand your point of view as well.
And, since you mentioned about the trust is a two way
street, I will release the code and put on the public open
source. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">It always gives me a pleasure to have a
smiling face at the opposite end. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">I will share the link in the morning. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Best regards, </div>
<div dir="auto">Amit</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">Amit Gupta<br>
CEO - Centrelocus | MSc -Maths, MBA (UK), PRINCE2
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 at
11:25 PM, Richard Lung <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">voting@ukscientists.com</a>>
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<p>Hello Amit,</p>
<p>It is a bit of a nightmare getting thru to the bank
on the phone but I can write to them, first class,
that you won't release the code till having the
second half of the payment. In my opinion, trust is
a two-way street. And already having paid the first
half, with no return, you might, for your part, run
the equal risk, which you are not prepared to do,
and produce the code publically, assuming you have
made a decent stab at it, so that you can be paid
the second half. This is a normal way of doing
business, that I am familiar with. I did not know,
before-hand, that you have a different practise of
wanting everything paying before you deliver the
work. <br>
</p>
<p>If, as you say, you have worked very very hard on
this, then you might prove it by publishing, so that
I can pay you the rest. Justice must not only be
done but must be seen to be done. I believe this
view is in conformity with the opinion of the bank.
If it is not, they will release the second payment
you have asked for.<br>
</p>
<p>I do not count the front-end enhancement, I agreed
to, at your suggestion, because it is not
transparent or open source, I asked for, but a black
box, on candidates election, and not in the spirit
of any STV system, which is to produce a result, of
which anyone can follow the logic. (Apart from the
fact it could not to be heard on my PC, anyway.)</p>
<p>Thank you for your work.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Richard Lung.<br>
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<div>On 03/10/2023 19:23, AMIT GUPTA wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Richard,<br>
<div><br>
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<div>Thanks for the feedback. I can say, there is
no disconnect as we have already achieved the
STV and have built the algorithm based on our
multiple rounds of email discussions. The STV is
definitely calculating the quota and
transferable votes for sure but that's on the
programming side (backend) of the system. The
frontend of the system, which you see on the
recording screen, is taking all the voters data
and fetching it back to the program interface
where this data gets calculated by Binomial STV
method that we both agreed on.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>As an enhancement, I think you mentioned
earlier that how would your team manage the
voting part and know how to calculate results as
it is a programming interface and you would want
to have a voting manager interface to handle
that. Therefore, we built this new interface. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am not sure if I am able to explain to you
properly what the code does and why we kept the
interface. But I can 100% say that this program
does that job that was intended. For
further explanation, if needed then I would
request for a short phone call so that I can
myself explain the whole scenario. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Finally, as our policy we can only make code
public after the payment. You would surely
understand that, after the code goes public and
open source, anybody can download it. We have
worked very very hard to get this thing running,
exploring multiple ways and multiple edits while
in discussion with you via email. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Therefore, it is risky for us to release the
code without the final payment. I wanted to
make sure you are comfortable in the process and
output, therefore waited till date to get paid.
Hope you understand my situation, Richard and I
will ask the bank to clear the pending payment.
You have asked for a screenshot, but I already
sent a video recording regarding the output for
the bank to see the proof. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Let me know if you have any questions or
concerns.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Warm regards,</div>
<div>amit</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 3,
2023 at 11:08 PM Richard Lung <<a
href="mailto:voting@ukscientists.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">voting@ukscientists.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Hello Amit, <br>
</p>
<p>The sound was very bad. Not so much your
fault as bad reception. I could not hear
most of what you said. And I think it would
have been beyond me. But I can say that STV
is not a candidate winners-based system. STV
gives the quota and votes cast for every
candidate (after any transfers). Look at any
STV election, let alone my reform of STV.<br>
</p>
<p>I did not anticipate this level of
disconnect. The "enhancement" does not
appear to be in accord with STV, as far as I
am able to tell, which admittedly was hardly
at all, due to bad sound quality. Just make
your open source program publically
available, then the bank may release payment
for that, tho I doubt it will be what is
required.</p>
<p>My apologies for setting you on this
project.</p>
<p>Regards, <br>
</p>
<p>Richard Lung.<br>
</p>
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<div>On 03/10/2023 10:21, AMIT GUPTA wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Richard,<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hope you had a good weekend. I am
sharing a more subtle video recording of
the application. I have tried to speak a
bit slow and see if you could make out
how the software works. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There are two modules of it: </div>
<div>1) Voting manager (Admin: you and
your team) </div>
<div>2) Voters, to cast their vote of
preferences</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding the Open Source nature of
this software, please note that this is
the output of the software that we have
programmed, that means the code will be
open source so that all people can see
it. We will put it on the Github
platform to make it opensource and users
can download it and integrate on their
system to run it. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>amit</div>
<div><span>
<p><b>Voting Manager Panel and User
Balance Overview</b> - <a
href="https://www.loom.com/share/01b55239499e4e7fa81c0ed3b94575b9"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Watch Video</a></p>
<a
href="https://www.loom.com/share/01b55239499e4e7fa81c0ed3b94575b9?utm_medium=gif"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><img
moz-do-not-send="true"></a>
<p>In this video, I provide an
overview of the admin panel, which
is the voting manager panel, and the
user balance. </p>
<p>I explain how to manage campaigns
and votes using the panel, including
adding campaigns and naming
candidate lists. </p>
<p>I also demonstrate how to check the
results and cast votes as a user. </p>
<p>The video highlights the importance
of active campaigns and the role of
the voting manager in managing the
system.</p>
</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun,
Oct 1, 2023 at 7:48 PM Richard Lung <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear Amit,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Your
further one-code message to open
the front-end “enhancement” didn’t
open on my ipad, and does not seem
to be available on my PC, (yet).
Thankyou for your trouble, anyway.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I don’t
think the bank will be satisfied
with a front-end enhancement. (And
tomorrow, Monday is always
over-busy.) <span> </span><span> </span>Tho
the enhancement is the doorway to
the program, it is not the open
source program itself. If that
were usably linked to the general
public, without encryption, I
don’t see that the bank could
object to releasing the second
installment of my payment.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Brian Meek
never lived to see his method
officially used. And I don’t
expect to see even simpler first
order Binomial (Meek) method used,
either. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>But I would
like to do the equivalent (for
STV^1) of what Dr David Hill did,
which was to make Meek method
coding freely available (open
source software). I sent you a
copy of the surplus transfer part
of the program (written in
old-fashioned Pascal) in case it
was useful to you.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Richard
Lung.</span></p>
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