<html><body>Thank you for answer.<div>I didn't express myself accurately. I wanted to know whether the mentioned principle is a necessary condition of a proportional electoral system, not a sufficient condition.</div><div><br></div><div>Luděk Belán</div><div><br><aside>---------- Původní e-mail ----------<br>Od: Kristofer Munsterhjelm <km_elmet@t-online.de><br>Komu: Luděk Belán <LudekBelan@seznam.cz>, election-methods@electorama.com<br>Datum: 28. 8. 2023 13:23:10<br>Předmět: Re: [EM] Definition of proportional electoral system</aside><br><blockquote data-email="km_elmet@t-online.de">On 8/28/23 12:13, Luděk Belán wrote:
<br>> Dear all,
<br>> excuse my bad English.
<br>>
<br>> Can the principle that /if party "A" gets more votes than party "B" then
<br>> party "A" must not get fewer mandates than party "B"/ be considered a
<br>> defining characteristic of a proportional electoral system?
<br>
<br>It doesn't need to imply propoprtionality. Consider the following method:
<br>
<br>The first party (by vote count) gets 90% of the seats (mandates).
<br>The second party gets 5%.
<br>The third party gets 2.5%
<br>The fourth party gets 1.25%
<br>The fifth party also gets 1.25%
<br>The rest get nothing.
<br>
<br>This is usually not proportional, but if A gets more votes than B, A can
<br>never get fewer seats than B, so it passes your principle.
<br>
<br>Most proportional methods would pass your principle, though.
<br>
<br>Note that some fail a related principle that "if some people change
<br>their mind and vote for party B instead of A, then A shouldn't gain
<br>seats at the expense of B". That's called population-pair monotonicity
<br>or vote-ratio monotonicity. Wikipedia has an article about it here:
<br>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote-ratio_monotonicity
<br>
<br>-km
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