<div dir="auto">Well, that wouldn't work so well if everybody bullet voted.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 28, 2023, 10:24 AM Forest Simmons <<a href="mailto:forest.simmons21@gmail.com">forest.simmons21@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>For practical purposes, this appeals to me the most so far.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But the question remains about how to determine the number N.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Why not just use the number ranked (or approved, as the case may be) on the average primary ballot? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 27, 2023, 12:42 PM C.Benham <<a href="mailto:cbenham@adam.com.au" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">cbenham@adam.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I am strongly of the view that the best practical way to narrow
down the field of candidates in one big open primary <br>
to N candidates should be to just use strict ranking ballots with
voters able to rank as many or as few candidates as they like,<br>
and just select the IRV (aka STV) last N candidatesI</p></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
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I worry that if the use of approval ballots for this purpose is
promoted, the powers-that-be won't be interested in anything<br>
more complicated than "just select the N most approved
candidates" and (if the election is for an important powerful
office)<br>
we will be left with N corporatist clones.<br>
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In say the US presidential election, there is (or can be) quite a
bit of time and campaigning between the primary election and<br>
the main general election, so I don't think it matters much if
candidates without much "approval" in the primary make it on to<br>
the ballot for the final general election.<br>
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Chris Benham<br>
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The choice of n should be flexible enough that if two candidates both had
more than 70 percent approval, and nobody else got more than 49 percent,
then n should be only two.
Perhaps every finalist should have at least 71 percent (about root .5) of
the approval of the candidate with the most approval opposition to the max
approval candidate.
That 71 percent parameter is open to adjustment .
The idea is that we should admit into the final stage anybody with almost
as much approval as Chris Benham's max approval opposition challenger.
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