<div dir="auto">Very ingenious and practical, since you are just repurposing standard, off the shelf procedures.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 28, 2023, 12:37 PM Kristofer Munsterhjelm <<a href="mailto:km_elmet@t-online.de">km_elmet@t-online.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 8/28/23 19:24, Forest Simmons wrote:<br>
> For practical purposes, this appeals to me the most so far.<br>
> <br>
> But the question remains about how to determine the number N.<br>
> <br>
> Why not just use the number ranked (or approved, as the case may be) on <br>
> the average primary ballot?<br>
<br>
Here's a similar approach with an idea to preserve a kind of clone <br>
independence:<br>
<br>
Use STV, but don't eliminate candidates when they're elected, just <br>
reweight the ballots according to surplus instead.<br>
<br>
When a candidate is elected again, he only appears once in the final <br>
outcome, but the number of candidates in the outcome is reduced by one <br>
instead. In effect, the duplicate election leads to the election of a <br>
"hole" that takes up a spot without assigning any candidate to that spot.<br>
<br>
Say N = 5, so that the Droop quota is 1/6. Then a candidate with <br>
above-majority support (say 1/2 + epsilon) gets three such quotas, and <br>
is elected three times: once to get into the finalist set, and twice <br>
more to reduce the number of other candidates from four to two.<br>
<br>
The idea is that if the candidate were to be cloned, then these clones <br>
would occupy three spots of the outcome, so the result is the same; just <br>
in one case, there's only one winner from that bloc and two "holes", <br>
while in the other case, there would be three winners from the bloc.<br>
<br>
I would probably reserve one of the five spots for the primary CW, <br>
though. Ideally it would use a proportional ordering or a pairwise STV <br>
variant, but then we're moving into "deluxe, complex method" territory.<br>
<br>
-km<br>
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