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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Chris</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I thought one of your big problems with STAR was the cloning thing. So the fact that score ballots might jeopardise the clone run-off would be a good thing wouldn't it?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Your approval opposition run-off is perhaps similar in outlook to what I suggested previously about using a sequential proportional method to elect two candidates to the run-off. Except that I would deal with clones by allowing a single candidate (or their exact clone depending on how you want to define it) to win both seats in the run-off. In the case where single candidate has so much support that they could win the first two seats in a proportional election, it would be deemed that no run-off is needed.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Toby</div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 13:38:45 BST, C.Benham <cbenham@adam.com.au> wrote:
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<p>Toby,<br clear="none">
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</p><blockquote type="cite">Also a run-off between the most two
approved candidates still has STAR's clone problem.</blockquote>
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Some years ago I suggested that 2-round Top-Two Runoff could be
improved by using approval ballots in the first round<br clear="none">
and then having a runoff between the most approved candidate (the
AW) and the candidate with the most approval opposition<br clear="none">
to the AW (i.e. is most approved on ballots that don't approve the
AW).<br clear="none">
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<blockquote type="cite">If the most approved candidate is cloned,
the run-off becomes irrelevant.
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Spoken like someone who lives in parliamentist country. "Clones"
aren't necessarily identical. There could be slight political
differences<br clear="none">
or one may be less corrupt, or one could just have a much better
haircut.<br clear="none">
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Parties being having incentive to each field two candidates (even
if they are "clones") is maybe not too bad. But STAR uses score
ballots<br clear="none">
so there is a danger that there being two candidates from the same
party might cause voters to not give both of them max score enough<br clear="none">
to stop both of them from making the final.<br clear="none">
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<blockquote type="cite">However, I just don't think that STAR's
failure here can reasonably be called a monotonicity failure.</blockquote>
<p>I think it is very much like one and it's claiming of bragging
rights on that point over IRV is unfair and misleading.<br clear="none">
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Chris<br clear="none">
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