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<p>Pluses and minuses cancel out each others information <br>
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<p>It is possible to have an exclusion count without cancel of the
election count. <br>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Richard Lung. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/08/2023 01:33, Forest Simmons
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<div dir="auto">I totally support the conventions suggested by
Chris.
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<div dir="auto">For grade ballots I suggest refinement of
rankings by using pluses and minuses like many schools do.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 6, 2023, 12:13 PM
C.Benham <<a href="mailto:cbenham@adam.com.au"
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I'm attracted to a couple of Condorcet methods that allow
voters to rank <br>
the candidates and also give an approval threshold.<br>
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I think an important question is what should be the default
placement of <br>
this approval threshold. I've read from one or two<br>
people that all candidates "ranked in any position" should be
considered <br>
approved, meaning that a ballot that strictly ranks<br>
all the candidates by putting a number next to all of them
should count <br>
as strategically useless approval for all the candidates<br>
while a ballot that does the same thing by putting a number
next to all <br>
but one of them counts as approving all but the unmarked<br>
candidate.<br>
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I find that silly and unnecessarily unfair to naive or
careless voters, <br>
so instead in the past I have gone with "voted above at least
one <br>
candidate".<br>
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Since the approvals are only used to complete Condorcet it is
likely <br>
that most of the time they'll have no effect and so many
voters won't<br>
bother giving an explicit approval cutoff.<br>
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In that circumstance with either the "voted above at least one
<br>
candidate" or the "ranked in any position" rules, the outcome
of the <br>
election<br>
could be affected by the addition or removal of candidates
that all (or <br>
nearly all) of the voters hate.<br>
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I find that also silly and unacceptable. So now I am strongly
of the <br>
view that default approval should be only of "voted below no
other <br>
candidate".<br>
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Condorcet methods with no Push-over incentive should allow
above-bottom <br>
ranking.<br>
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The ballot rules should allow voters to strictly rank however
many <br>
candidates they like and also (if the method has some use for
approval <br>
information)<br>
to approve only one candidate or all but one or any number in
between.<br>
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Hopefully this should all sound obvious. But several people
here have <br>
been tolerant or (even supportive) of alternatives.<br>
<br>
Someone who proposed a Condorcet completed by Approval method
suggested <br>
that a 6-slot grading ballot would be fine and that we would
arbitrarily<br>
call the top 3 slots approval and the bottom 3 not.<br>
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If there are more than 4 candidates that isn't enough to allow
the voter <br>
to strictly rank all the candidates and approve only one or
all-but-one.<br>
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In principle a grading or multi-slot rating ballot with the
top half of <br>
the slots/grades signifying approval is fine as long as there
are at <br>
least as many<br>
slots/grades as twice the number of candidates, minus one.<br>
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Another abomination is compulsory ranking. This is "GIGO"
(garbage in, <br>
garbage out) and I find it analogous to compelled speech.<br>
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In Australia, the major parties' "How-to-Vote" cards usually
just <br>
advise their supporters to after writing a "1" next to their
party's <br>
candidate just to<br>
number all the rest according to the order they appear on the
ballot paper.<br>
<br>
Chris Benham<br>
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