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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/04/2022 09:22, Richard Lung
      wrote:<br>
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      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">Kristofer,</span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">“election criteria” are to be found in the four
          scales of measurement, which I have been discussing. They are
          the criteria not just of “electics” but of the sciences in
          general. STV has essentially satisfied the main four scales,
          for nearly one and a half centuries. Commencing with the
          philosophes, of the eighteenth-century Enlightenment,
          continuing with the philosophical radicals, pre-eminently John
          Stuart Mill. Mill advocated universal male and female
          suffrage, amounting to a nominal scale of one person one vote.</span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">The philosophes provided the ordinal scale, in
          preference voting. Borda provided an assumed interval scale.
          In the 1850s, Carl Andrae , also Thomas Hare, provided an
          ordinal scale and a ratio scale, with Personal Representation
          by STV (preference voting and proportional counting). JB
          Gregory provided a real interval scale for STV, in 1880.</span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">Before the twentieth-century, in </span><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">North America</span><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">, Personal Representation was already being
          advocated, for instance in </span><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">New York</span><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">, as part of the Progressive Era. In the early
          twentieth century, Clarence Hoag and George Hallett picked up
          on HG Wells, a direct intellectual descendant of Hare and
          Mill, advocating at-large STV/PR.</span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">I was surprised to find a predominance of
          mathematicians (or to a lesser extent, those of a scientific
          background) in the development and promotion of the
          Andrae/Hare system.</span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">Judged by their adherence to scientific
          measurement, mathematicians played a positive role in
          realising democratic voting method.</span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">Since the mid-twentieth century, mathematicians
          have played a negative role, towards election method,
          epitomised by the so-called Impossibility theorem. That school
          has failed to develop a "standard model" of election method,
          which was previously developed from the  Andrae/Hare system.</span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">Regards,</span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
          Bold"">Richard Lung.<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/04/2022 23:14, Kristofer
        Munsterhjelm wrote:<br>
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        <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On 05.04.2022 19:56, Richard Lung wrote:
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          <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On 05/04/2022 10:22, Richard Lung wrote:
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            <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Thru-out the world of academe, from the American Mathematical Society
to innumerable social choice classes, can or could be found examples
of how about five different single-member voting systems all produce
different results. This is held to demonstrate a theorem of the
Impossibility of determining a winner.
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        <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">That doesn't seem to be related to either single- vs multi-winner or the
nonexistence/coherence of voting method criteria. It's more related to
IIA and rock-paper-scissors elections.

Would you say that my estimator analogy makes sense and shows that
election criteria can exist and be coherent?

-km
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