<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 6:00 AM Kristofer Munsterhjelm <<a href="mailto:km_elmet@t-online.de">km_elmet@t-online.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">So the A-first voters have no incentive to<br>
bury under the dark horse. Thus the ball doesn't get rolling and there's<br>
no escalation into a chicken problem.<br>
<br>
Warren then says "perhaps that won't save you because people will bury<br>
blindly anyway". Which is something I don't agree with. Sometimes I get<br>
the impression he draws too much experience from Borda, which *is* awful.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">I get that Warren's scenario is a possibility, and I don't want to dismiss it, but the evidence he cites doesn't seem persuasive:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">1) `Australian ranked-ballot voters use this sort of "maximal exaggeration" strategy`.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">2) `90% of Nader-favorite voters voted, strategically, for somebody else in USA 2000`</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">But those are opposing strategies (compromise toward the center vs exaggeration). To me it seems that in Australia they exaggerate because they use IRV and they know they can, but in the US they compromise, because they use FPTP and they know they must.</div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">As you noted in another email, Range expects voters to strategize to cover its shortcomings. Last night I was scribbling DH3 scenarios and when I tried one with Range I got the DH elected. I had to then go back and change the votes to get Range to avoid the DH. That doesn't inspire confidence. At the end of the day, if everyone tells the election system that the extremist party is their #2 option because everyone assumes that nobody else would be crazy enough to vote for those nutjobs ... well, what can you do? I'd rather have a system that encourages honest voting than one that encourages strategy but assumes that voters will never get the strategy wrong.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">I have other, more fundamental issues with Range. To me the premise seems flawed. Yes, I get that technically the ballot has more information. But I feel that its advocates skip a step when they assume that they know how to convert those ballots into a winner. I don't believe that I or anyone can convert their political views into a number. I don't believe that we'll produce numbers the same way. I don't believe that adding those numbers is the right thing to do with them. And I don't buy the argument that another man's vote is worth more than mine because he feels more strongly about his.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">Still better than IRV though.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheers,</div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Dr. Daniel Carrera</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Postdoctoral Research Associate</font></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Iowa State University</font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>