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    <p>I was going to type simply "Good question."<br>
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      One of the major justifications MJ has is that it  (like Relevant
      Ratings and IBIFA and Bucklin and Approval)<br>
      meets the Favorite Betrayal Criterion (aka FBC) which isn't
      compatible with Condorcet.<br>
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      In other words, MJ's  (main) excuse for failing Condorcet is that
      it meets FBC.<br>
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    <p>But when you add a 2-candidate runoff you always have a possible
      Push-over incentive and so no<br>
      compliance with FBC.<br>
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      And so the whole thing becomes a weird method that meets Condorcet
      but probably fails Smith.<br>
      <br>
      Chris Benham<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/06/2019 2:54 pm, Ted Stern wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 17, 2019,
              18:51 robert bristow-johnson <<a
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                Subject: Re: [EM] (3) Best Single-Winner Method<br>
                From: "Ted Stern" <<a
                  href="mailto:dodecatheon@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                  rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">dodecatheon@gmail.com</a>><br>
                Date: Mon, June 17, 2019 5:24 pm<br>
                To: "steve bosworth" <<a
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                  moz-do-not-send="true">stevebosworth@hotmail.com</a>><br>
                Cc: "<a
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                  moz-do-not-send="true">election-methods@lists.electorama.com</a>"
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                > I would certainly favor Majority Judgment over many
                other options, if there<br>
                > were no other choice, though I'd prefer if it
                included a runoff against the<br>
                > Condorcet Winner if one exists.<br>
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              <p>I know that i am just stuck in Condorcet land and I
                haven't completely groked MJ (because i don't like the
                ballot), but can you guys help me understand how **any**
                candidate beats the Condorcet Winner in a runoff?</p>
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        <div dir="auto">Voters are not rational. Also, in a runoff, they
          are not necessarily the same voters. </div>
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              <p>If you have an election method and subject that winner
                of that
                method to the CW (whom must have been chosen from
                ranked-ballot results) in a runoff, does not always the
                CW win?  If so, then why not just elect the CW?</p>
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        <div dir="auto">Indeed, that would be the case. But I think
          voters may not realize the ramifications of their selections
          in early use of any new method, so an option to reconsider
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                r b-j                         <a
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                "Imagination is more important than knowledge."<br>
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