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1. Re: Steve's reply: IRV et al v. EPR (Abd ul-Rahman Lomax)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 07:54:27 -0400<br>
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <abd@lomaxdesign.com><br>
To: election-methods@lists.electorama.com<br>
Subject: Re: [EM] Steve's reply: IRV et al v. EPR<br>
Message-ID: <7f883a01-179f-f089-d3e8-565e8c30ff07@lomaxdesign.com><br>
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S: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Firstly, I wish to thank you for one of your online posts about 10 years ago.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>It was my first introduction to the idea of Asset voting and you will also see how it still offers an essential element in my explanation of EPR.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Still, I want to understand your current proposals more exactly.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Below, I wish to comment upon and ask you about a number of phrases, sentences, and paragraphs which I have selected from your recent contributions to EM.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>For example, I want clearly to understand why you say that, *taken simply and literally, [EPR is] a Really Bad Idea*.
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</span>This is because we seem to agree that :</font></span></p>
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<p style="background: rgb(244, 244, 244); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: 22.5pt; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; vertical-align: middle; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2;">
<span style="font-size: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">A democratic constitution should have the *goal* of achieving
*consensus*, yet *the majority always has a right of decision*, i.e. such a constitution is *about empowering the community, in using deliberative processes to maximize consensus, which creates stronger organizations*.</span></p>
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<p style="background: rgb(244, 244, 244); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: 22.5pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; vertical-align: middle; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2;">
<span style="font-size: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>If so, I would like
to convince you that an EPR legi<span style="color: black;">slature, perhaps with the addition of your Electors, would maximize the probability of achieving both, i.e. EPR is the method which is most likely to provide *a reasonably aggregated Asset Assembly*.</span></span></p>
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">S: If EPR were used for your general election,
the primary you have in mind would be redundant. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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<p style="background: rgb(244, 244, 244); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: 22.5pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; vertical-align: middle; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2;">
<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">Also, in the following answer to Kristofer, you
mistakenly confuse SCORE voting with the *grading* that is use by EPR and MJ, i.e.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>each voter to evaluate as many of the candidates she might wish with regard to their fitness for the office: ECELLENT, VERY GOOD, GOOD, ACCEPTABLE, POOR, or REJECT.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Grades are more meaningful, discerning, and informative.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>This truth is illustrated by the fact that SCORES can be deduced from grades, but grades cannot be deduced from SCORES.
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Also, averaging scores is more likely to prompt strategic voting than MJ’s or EPR’s different methods for counting all the grades.</span></p>
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<p style="background: rgb(244, 244, 244); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: 22.5pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; vertical-align: middle; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2;">
<span style="font-size: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">*Weighted voting is a tweak on that which moves toward "majority"
as referring to <br>
majority of the voting public rather than majority of Assembly members. <br>
But I prefer, greatly, to create a "trusted assembly" and empowering <br>
them, fully. … Choose someone you trust, then *trust them*.*</span></p>
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;"><font face="Calibri">S: With regard to your Asset
and Proxy proposals, please correct me if I am mistaken about each of the following:</font></span></p>
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<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">During its term, your Assembly is the sovereign
law-making body within the state’s democratic constitution.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>This constitution also has a parliamentary form since you </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">prefer<span style="color: black;">
the state’s chief executive to be both elected and replaceable by a majority decision of the Assembly.</span></span></p>
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<p style="background: rgb(244, 244, 244); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: 22.5pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; vertical-align: middle; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1;">
<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">Your Assembly is elected for a set term (e.g.
4 or 5 years).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There could only be a new election before the end of this term if a majority of the votes in the Assembly agreed to this.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Also, during an Assembly’s term, no additional proxy votes can be added to or taken away from any elected member (*seat*), i.e. none added or taken away by citizens or Electors. Also, the set number of members to be elected will be determined in advance.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>I see these features to be some o</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">f the *rules
as may be necessary to maintain order* as you might put it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>The will<span style="color: black;"> help to make the total debating, negotiating, and voting context within which each member must operate as clear as possible from the start.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>These arrangement provide the optimal context within which each member should be expected to maximize her affect upon any majority decisions made by the Assembly (supporting or opposing).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>This also makes it as easy as possible for each member to be held to account by his or her electorate.</span></span></p>
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<p style="background: rgb(244, 244, 244); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: 22.5pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; vertical-align: middle; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1;">
<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">During the general election for the Assembly,
every citizen can only secretly give her proxy vote to one of the voluntary Registered Electors (these also include all the candidates for the Assembly).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Any citizen can arrange for her identity to be made known to the member (*seat*) of the Assembly she has helped to elect.</span></p>
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<p style="background: rgb(244, 244, 244); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: 22.5pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; vertical-align: middle; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1;">
<span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri;">Each Elector will probably have a different number
of proxy votes which she must transfer publicly to help elect the members of the Assembly, i.e. each Elector may have a different *weighted vote*.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>Given this, I do not yet understand why you currently want each of your members to receive only a droop quote of proxy votes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
</span>In order fully to respect the principle of one-citizen-one-vote and to help to minimize any qualitative *wasting* of these votes as defined by the second paragraph of my article, it seems to me that you should allow each member to have a different *weighted
vote*. </span></p>
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the best method both for your citizens and the Electors, and for them to elect the Members of your legislative Assembly.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">
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