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In Britain, the parties against STV, as in the Plant and Jenkins
report complained that STV was both too remote and too local.
Jenkins was aware of the contradiction but just soldiered on anyway,
on the expedient that any stick will do to beat the dog with. He had
to do that because, as he told Paddy Ashdown in confidence (The
Ashdown Diaries 1997-9) "Blair wouldn't give us Single Transferable
Vote (STV)."<br>
The preliminary Plant report, an in-house Labour party document
avowedly opposed STV for its "intra-party" competition in Ireland.
Inother words STV also acts as a primaries within the general
election - too democratic for them. That's why they have plastered
MMP all over the country, having confided in their report that it
did not threaten their incumbency. I have written about these and
many more things in my free e-books linked to "Democracy Science"
site.<br>
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Richard Lung.<br>
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On 07/07/2017 01:40, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fdpk69p6uq@snkmail.com">fdpk69p6uq@snkmail.com</a> wrote:
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</span>Are you suggesting that it should be a single
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<div>No, I'm just saying it would be more proportional if it
were. (A party with 1% support among the general
population could win 4 seats, for instance, vs 0 seats
when there's a hundred 5-member districts.)<br>
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so, I would worry that it would reduce emphasis on local<br>
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Agreed. MMP seems better for that purpose, or maybe one
of the new things like GOLD. I haven't researched
multi-winner systems thoroughly.<br>
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Fragmentation is a threat to stability/predictability</blockquote>
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<div>Is that bad? A government that has trouble passing
laws until they're modified to appeal to a diverse
majority seems like a good thing to me.<br>
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