<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2633" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2632">Although, come to think of it, I think we discussed this before, and you said that that full proportionality for every party is not what you're after - <a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2671" href="http://election-methods.5485.n7.nabble.com/EM-Proportional-multi-winner-ranked-voting-methods-guidelines-tc34205.html#a34225">http://election-methods.5485.n7.nabble.com/EM-Proportional-multi-winner-ranked-voting-methods-guidelines-tc34205.html#a34225</a></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2676"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2686"><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2603"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2612" style="display: block;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2611" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2610" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2609" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2608" face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2607"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Toby Pereira <tdp201b@yahoo.co.uk><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> VoteFair <electionmethods@votefair.org>; "election-methods@lists.electorama.com" <election-methods@lists.electorama.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 4 June 2017, 18:43<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [EM] Resume: Proportional multi-winner ranked voting methods - guidelines?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2708"><br><div id="yiv2836274310"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2710"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496653143426_2709" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span></span></div><div class="yiv2836274310qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv2836274310yui_3_16_0_1_1496561868663_10076">People often talk about Droop proportionality but proportionality for solid coalitions can be Droop or Hare. If a ranked system meets neither, it probably isn't proportional as most people would define it.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2836274310yahoo_quoted" id="yiv2836274310yui_3_16_0_1_1496561868663_10016" style="display: block;"> <div id="yiv2836274310yui_3_16_0_1_1496561868663_10015" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yiv2836274310yui_3_16_0_1_1496561868663_10014" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yiv2836274310yui_3_16_0_1_1496561868663_10013" dir="ltr"> <font id="yiv2836274310yui_3_16_0_1_1496561868663_10012" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><div class="yiv2836274310yqt4753980655" id="yiv2836274310yqtfd23201"><hr size="1" id="yiv2836274310yui_3_16_0_1_1496561868663_10075"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> VoteFair <electionmethods@votefair.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> election-methods@lists.electorama.com <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 4 June 2017, 18:27<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [EM] Resume: Proportional multi-winner ranked voting methods - guidelines?<br clear="none"> </div></div><div class="yiv2836274310yqt4753980655" id="yiv2836274310yqtfd63479"> <div class="yiv2836274310y_msg_container" id="yiv2836274310yui_3_16_0_1_1496561868663_10056"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv2836274310yui_3_16_0_1_1496561868663_10055" dir="ltr">> ...<br clear="none"> > The LCR example is a concrete example that giving the<br clear="none"> > first seat to the CW makes the method fail Droop<br clear="none"> > proportionality.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I do not regard Droop proportionality as an important criteria to meet. <br clear="none">It is based on looking at each ballot one candidate at a time, right?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Looking at one candidate at a time is what instant-runoff voting does, <br clear="none">and we know how unfair that can be.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Richard Fobes<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"></div> </div></div><div class="yiv2836274310yqt4753980655" id="yiv2836274310yqtfd33324"> </div></div><div class="yiv2836274310yqt4753980655" id="yiv2836274310yqtfd97414"> </div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>