<div dir="ltr"><div>Chris,<br><br>I'm convinced; the default approval should be top set only.  How much control the voters have over adjusting that cutoff on their ballots is still up for grabs.  I like keeping it simple, but Michael nade some good points about allowing voters to specify individual disapprovals.<br><br></div><div>Good point about presenting half-power-truncation as symmetric completion for truncated candidates.  It's easier to motivate it from that perspective.<br><br></div><div>The more I think about it the more I like symmetric completion for all equal rankings below the approval cutoff, not just for truncation.<br><br></div><div>Then not only do we have mono-add-plump, but also this more detailed property:<br><br></div><div>If a new ballot is added that doesn't rank any (previously) disqualified candidate above all of her disqualifiers or equal to any approved disqualifier, then the new winner will be from the candidates that are approved on the new ballot.<br><br></div><div>What more could we ask for by way of participation incentive?<br></div><div><br></div>Forest<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 3:59 PM, C.Benham <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbenham@adam.com.au" target="_blank">cbenham@adam.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div class="m_8729162978151899294moz-cite-prefix"><span class="">On 11/19/2016 10:26 AM, Forest Simmons
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      <blockquote type="cite">An interesting fact is that MDDA(pt/2) is
        just another formulation of my version of ICA.</blockquote>
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      Yes, that had dawned on me.  It's also like symmetrically
      completing ballots only at the bottom, saying<br>
      that above-bottom equal-rankings contribute nothing to the
      pairwise scores of the candidates with the<br>
      same above-bottom ranking versus each other, and then saying that
      unless all candidates have a majority-<br>
      strength defeat any that do are disqualified.<br>
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      But isn't that a little bit different from the normal version of
      the "Tied-at-the-Top Rule", because that treats<br>
      equal-top equal ranking differently from all below-top
      equal-ranking?<br>
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      I am a bit concerned about this (sincere) scenario:<br>
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      40: A>B<br>
      10: A=B<br>
      35: B<br>
      15: C<br>
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      With all the voters' approval cutoffs left in the default position
      B wins but A is the CW. Of course if the 40 A>B<br>
      preferrers vote  A>>B there is no problem, but might there
      be a case for the default placement being just below<br>
      the top-voted candidate/s?<br>
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      For a method with this cute game-theoretic  defence of the
      'sincere CW who is the smallest faction's favourite' and also<br>
      a way of addressing the Chicken Dilemma scenario , this looks very
      good.<br>
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      It meets FBC, Mono-add-Plump and Irrelevant Ballots Independence,
      Plurality and Mono-raise.<br>
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      Chris Benham<div><div class="h5"><br>
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      On 11/19/2016 10:26 AM, Forest Simmons wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Does
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                                                          Suppose we
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                                                          40 C>B<br>
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                                                          35 A>B<br>
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                                                          25 B>C<br>
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                                                          and the C
                                                          faction
                                                          decides to
                                                          bury the CWs
                                                          B.  The B
                                                          faction
                                                          anticipates
                                                          this and
                                                          responds by
                                                          truncating C. 
                                                          It is in the
                                                          interest of
                                                          the A faction
                                                          to leave the
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                                                          implicit
                                                          approval
                                                          cutoff in
                                                          place.  The C
                                                          faction
                                                          doesn't want
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                                                          much support
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                                                          40 C>>A<br>
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                                                          35 A>B<br>
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                                                          25 B<br>
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                                                          The approval
                                                          winner is B
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                                                          place it would
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                                                          them; their
                                                          last choice
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                                                          So I think
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                                                          with respect
                                                          to truncation
                                                          and burial.<br>
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                                                          How about the
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                                                          In this case
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                                                          40 C<br>
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                                                          35 A>B<br>
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                                                        25 B>A<br>
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                                                      The B>A faction
                                                      threatens to
                                                      defect from the AB
                                                      coalition.<br>
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                                                    The A faction
                                                    responds by using
                                                    the explicit cutoff:<br>
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                                                  40 C<br>
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                                                35 A>>B<br>
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                                              25 B<br>
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                                            The approval winner is C, so
                                            the threatened defection
                                            back-fires.<br>
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                                          It seems to me like that is
                                          plenty of chicken defection
                                          insurance.<br>
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                                        The obvious equilibrium position
                                        (for the chicken scenario) is<br>
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                                        40 C<br>
                                        35 A>>B<br>
                                        25 B>>A<br>
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                                      Under MDDA(pt/2) the only
                                      uneliminated candidate is A.<br>
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                                    But if the B faction defects, all
                                    candidates are eliminated, and the
                                    approval winner C is elected.<br>
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                                  This is why I like MDDA(pt/2).<br>
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                                An interesting fact is that MDDA(pt/2)
                                is just another formulation of my
                                version of ICA.  They are precisely
                                equivalent.  Here's why:<br>
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                              In my version of ICA, X beats Y iff <br>
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                            [X>Y] > [Y>X] + [X=Y=T] +
                            [X=Y=between] , in other words,<br>
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                          [X>Y] > [Y:>=X] - [X=Y=Bottom],<br>
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                        which in turn equals<br>
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                      100% - [X>Y] - [X=Y=Bottom], since  100%=
                      [X>Y] + [Y>=X].<br>
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                    So X beats Y iff<br>
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                  [X>Y] > 100% - [X>Y] - [X=Y=Bottom].<br>
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                If you add [X.Y] to both sides and divide by 2, you get<br>
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              [X>Y] +[X=Y=Bottom]/2 > 50%, <br>
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            precisely the "majority-with- half-power-truncation" rule.<br>
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          So (my version of) ICA is precisely equivalent to MDDA(pt/2).<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">Now suppose that p<q<r, and
            p+q+r=100%, and we have three factions of respective sizes
            p, q, and r:, with r + q > 50%.<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">p: C<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">q: A>>B<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">r: B>>A<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Then under the pt/2 rule both C and B
          are eliminated, but not A, so A is elected.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Suppose that the B factions defects.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Then A is also eliminated, and the
          approval winner C is elected.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Etc.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">So which of the two equivalent
          formulations is easier to sell?  ICA or MDDA(pt/2) ?<br>
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