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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">From this distance I gather that
overall in the US with those 3 candidates Sanders would be the
sincere big CW, and there would be quite<br>
a few Sanders>Trump and Trump>Sanders. With similar media
access Sanders would likely have been also the sincere plurality
winner.<br>
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I think shake-things-up versus more-of-the-same was more
significant than the "feminist/masculinist axis".<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Elects Trump: plurality; plurality with
runoff (or primary/general, as happened in reality); IRV</blockquote>
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On your hypothetical figures IRV and "plurality with runoff" would
elect Clinton 49-48.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">30: Clinton>Sanders<br>
19: Sanders>Clinton<br>
3: Sanders ("Bernie bros")<br>
48: Trump <br>
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This is an honest Condorcet cycle!</blockquote>
Clinton > Trump 49-48, Clinton > Sanders 30-24, Sanders
> Trump 52-48.<br>
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Clinton looks like the CW.<br>
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Chris Benham<br>
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On 11/14/2016 8:23 AM, Jameson Quinn wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I believe that the honest preferences in the
Pennsylvania presidential election, crucial to Trump's victory,
may well have been something like the following:<br>
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30: Clinton>Sanders<br>
19: Sanders>Clinton<br>
3: Sanders ("Bernie bros")<br>
48: Trump <br>
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<div>This is an honest Condorcet cycle! In that case, the people
who are arguing that "Bernie would have been a better
candidate" would be simultaneously correct (against Trump) and
wrong (in a two-way race between Sanders and Clinton).</div>
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<div>It's also possible that it was like the above, except that
the Trump voters had a net preference for Sanders. In that
case, Sanders (the self-styled socialist) would have lost to
center squeeze! He's certainly not the center one of those
three candidates on a left/right axis, but I guess that he is
on a feminist/masculinist axis.<br>
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<div>So, how would different election systems do on the election
above?</div>
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<div>Elects Trump: plurality; plurality with runoff (or
primary/general, as happened in reality); IRV</div>
<div>Elects Sanders: PAR, Bucklin systems, most Condorcet
systems (I think)</div>
<div>Elects Clinton: SODA (assuming that Bernie agrees with the
majority of his supporters, and that the "bros" don't
explicitly use "do not delegate"); perhaps some Condorcet
systems (which?)</div>
<div>Who knows what would happen: Approval, Score (depends on
strategy)</div>
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