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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The "deweight  to zero" option would be
      best for avoiding an extra easy Push-over incentive. <br>
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      With voters being allowed to rank both above and below an approval
      threshold, this a one-ballot per voter and one trip<br>
      to the polling station version of an earlier suggestion of mine
      for a 2 trips to the polling station method using simple Approval<br>
      ballots.<br>
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      But then we have a method that can badly fail Condorcet and fails
      FBC.<br>
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      I suppose if  we don't mind a kludge fix it to meet Condorcet:<br>
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      *Voters submit rankings with an approval threshold (Default is all
      candidates ranked above equal-bottom are interpreted as approved).<br>
      Elect the CW if there is one.<br>
      Otherwise elect the pairwise winner between (among members of the
      Smith set?)  the most approved candidate A and the candidate <br>
      most approved on ballots that don't approve A.*<br>
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      Chris Benham<br>
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      On 11/12/2016 10:51 AM, Forest Simmons wrote:<br>
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        <div>Very good!  And it works for a variety of Proportional
          Representation methods, whether you deweight the ballots to
          1/2, 1/3, or even totally deweight to zero, so that no ballot
          that approved the first finalist has any weight at all in
          deciding who the second finalist is.  That may be the simplest
          method.  <br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:13 AM,
          Monkey Puzzle <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:araucaria.araucana@gmail.com" target="_blank">araucaria.araucana@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">In this chicken dilemma defection situation,
              the As and Bs could add preferences below the approval
              cutoff:<span class="">
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                <div>40 C</div>
                <div>32 A>>B</div>
                <div>28 B>>A</div>
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              <div>Both groups defect from each other, but assign their
                rival a higher preference above other disapproved
                candidates.</div>
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              <div>C and the larger first choice of A or B are the two
                parliament seats, and the disapproved preference helps
                that candidate win.</div>
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                    data-smartmail="gmail_signature"> Frango ut
                    patefaciam -- I break so that I may reveal<br>
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                  <div class="h5">On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:21 AM,
                    Kristofer Munsterhjelm <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:km_elmet@t-online.de"
                        target="_blank">km_elmet@t-online.de</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                    <div class="h5"><span>On 11/11/2016 01:48 AM, Forest
                        Simmons wrote:<br>
                        > Some of the replies are taking the subject
                        line too literally.  We're<br>
                        > not talking about top two runoff, but two
                        member PR runoff.  we find out<br>
                        > who the two member parliament would be then
                        pit those two against each<br>
                        > other.<br>
                        ><br>
                        > So<br>
                        ><br>
                        > 40 C<br>
                        > 32 A>B<br>
                        > 28 B>A<br>
                        ><br>
                        > Suppose that we use PAV with implicit
                        approval<br>
                        ><br>
                        > The A is the first member in the two member
                        parliament.<br>
                        ><br>
                        > The two factions that supported A get their
                        weights cut in half, so C is<br>
                        > the second member.<br>
                        ><br>
                        > The runoff is between A and C, not between
                        A and B, as some people are<br>
                        > assuming.<br>
                        ><br>
                        > If the B faction defects, then the two
                        members of the pariliament would<br>
                        > be B and C, and the pairwise winner would
                        be B, so the method does not<br>
                        > satisfy CD.<br>
                        <br>
                      </span>On a more intuitive level, that isn't too
                      surprising. Suppose you have a<br>
                      Bush-Nader-Gore situation. The runoff doesn't help
                      the voters who want<br>
                      to know whether to vote {Nader, Gore} or {Nader},
                      since if they vote<br>
                      only Nader, Bush and Gore may go to the runoff
                      (i.e. Nader loses). On<br>
                      the other hand, if they do vote {Nader, Gore}, and
                      Gore is picked for<br>
                      the first winner, then their ballots will be
                      deweighted and Nader<br>
                      probably won't come in second anyway.<br>
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